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3D desktops are st0opid

Have you all seen The Quiet Earth? It’s an 80s movie in which some loser wakes up to find (as far as he knows) that he’s the last person on Earth.

I have a fear that I, too, will one day awaken to my own “Quiet Earth.”

There’s this trend I’m seeing around the ol’ technosphere, and I think it’s really stupid, but it seems like the kind of thing that could really catch on. I’m afraid that it will, one day, catch on, and that I’ll be left walking up and down the empty streets of my own little world, shouting “HELLO – IS ANYBODY THERE?” and only getting my own echoes in response.

This trend is the result of the common geek’s inability to understand that progress does not necessarily have to mean really stupid change.

I’ve talked some smack about Project Looking Glass in the past on .NET Rocks, and I was afraid at the time that the day would eventually come when I would be talking smack about a similar project built on Windows.

That day has arrived, my friends (enemies?). SphereXP is here.

It’s a “3D” desktop for Windows, and I’m very much not looking forward to having it in my living room (if I had a living room, anyway, which I don’t). I realize that this might sound uber negative, but this is one of those things that I feel very strongly about.

It’s hard enough keeping track of application windows in current systems. How in the hell is life going to get any easier by adding a third dimension to the experience?

Human beings have 7 +/– 2 memory “registers” for short term memory. In other words, you can keep anywhere from 5 to 9 pieces of information in your short term memory before you run out of space and have to commit something to permanent storage (which, unfortunately, isn’t as easy as it sounds) or discard it to make room for new information (much easier than it sounds).

We do this every day, and any system which could make this lame-ass shortcoming of the brain a little easier to deal with would be quite nice.

That’s why I have to wonder about the advantages, if any, of stuffing even more information on the screen at the same time:

Sphere_20_small
Has anybody seen my car keys?

I just don’t understand. I’ve heard it over and over, too. There’s a yabbo in every office who thinks he’s stumbled onto the Next Great Thing, and can’t wait to tell you about it. He swears you to secrecy before divulging the incredible details of his plan, like someone who has discovered the process by which we can convert cat urine to gold (by the way – if anybody wants to try this and would like access to an ample supply of cat urine, just get in touch with me).

Why does it seem so natural to some people that we move in this direction? Change, and big changes in particular, should really be for the benefit of the user. We need ways to simplify desktops – not clutter them with spinning windows and three-dimensional application surfaces that rotate in confusing ways. I mean, the only use I can see for this would be preventing old people from ever being able to figure out computers, and I’m not sure that’s a good thing. There’s a radar in the lower right-hand corner for chrissake. A radar. Will the next “advance” along these lines require a form of specialized GPS so that we won’t get lost when looking for files? Will there be laws against exploring alone? Will we have to wear safety harnesses when descending into the confusing and disorganized pits our computers will have become?

While we’re at it, why don’t we add depth to books? They’ve already got rows and columns. There’s an entire axis that’s being ignored here. Think about how many more words we could fit on a page if each page were a cube. We could even arrange the words in such a way that reading the cube from one angle would result in one book, and reading it from another would result in an entirely different book.

It’s just brilliant!

[sigh…]

A better idea (?)

Just off the top of my head, and in a completely different direction, I’ll offer this to the world of desktop usability…

Why don’t we allow users to group applications? I’ve found in recent years that, more often than not, I need to work with a group of applications to get something done rather than just one application at a time. For example, when blogging, I like to have BlogJet open alongside the Microsoft Encarta Dictionary. I also keep an instance of Notepad open for any scratch writing that I need to do.

It would be a great help to me if I could define a layout configuration for these items on screen, a launch configuration, and a profile to which I could save these settings. It sounds a little complex now, but it could be made very simple through a few mouse movements.

So, what I’d like in the end is this:

1. I navigate to Start —> Profiles (not “Programs)

2. From the “Profiles” list, I select the profile I’d like to start up

3. In the case I described above, I might choose to open the “Blogging Profile”

4. BlogJet, Encarta Dictionary, and Notepad would open up at the same time and arrange themselves in my preferred layout

5. At the end of the session, I can choose to shut down the entire profile at once rather than having to close each application separately

Optional: I would also be interested in defining my layout with “sticky” windows – that is, I’d like to be able to join several apps together into one Super-App that I could drag around the screen as one unit.

Put that in your techno-pipe and smoke it

It might not be Nobel Prize material, but at least old people could still use it.

I hate this faux 3D desktop crap. I’d rather poke my eye out with a bus than use one of these systems.

Published Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:10 AM by Rory

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Edward Wohlman said:

Microsoft did something like you suggest with their research project a couple of years ago. You had a great big screen that surrounded the user 180 degrees, with various applications arranged in groups according to task areas.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/features/2003/06-27ciw_l.jpg

Adam Barr picked it up more recently
http://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2004/11/center_for_info.html

I watched the lookingglass demo recently and I have to say I found it interesting, but I'd have to have a play with the real environment before I could tell if I would ever find it really useful.
February 8, 2005 2:48 AM
 

George said:

I don't know Rory. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. But I just ignored the fact that you indicated that my brain might have some "limitation" so maybe I'm not looking at the (how did your one commenter put it, oh that's right) 'facts'.

I just don't believe it.

Plus, you can't really develop ALL technology with the older generation in mind. From what I've seen of the younger generation (and that includes me, Rory you old geezer), their ability to handle 3D environments is there.

I'd be interested in using a 3D desktop personally. I'd just want it to be responsive. I run out of desktop room all the time so why not shove stuff along the z-axis?

But what do I know? (well besides more than you of course.)

p.s. (that's a joke rory, you can tell because i left out the words 'a lot') :)


February 8, 2005 2:59 AM
 

Dean Harding said:

I don't get it either. I mean, the screen we're displaying these 3D images on is two dimensional. Displaying 3D on a 2D screen is basically a hack as far as I'm concerned (I mean, if you move your head left and right, you can see "behind" stuff on the screen, cause it won't move). It's OK for games where you actually control a 3D camera - that is, to look around, you have to move the mouse or whatever - but other than that, it's not really natural to display "truly"-3D things on a 2D screen.

Basically, you're expanding the information you provide from the traditional 2D into three dimensions. Then *compressing* that information back down to 2D to be able to display it on a 2D screen. Where's the logic?

If we had 3D displays, where things actually *were* 3D, then *maybe* I'd look into it.
February 8, 2005 3:03 AM
 

Nic Wise said:

I have to agree. I saw SphereXP (and the linux ones, too) and thought "WTF?!". Why? I run almost every window full screen so I can see as much code as I can..... Hell, I have 2 monitors (17" LCD, 15" laptop panel) and if my lappie had a second video port, I'd get another one. Also running windows full screen. Adding "3d" to it helps me..... how?

Nifty gimick, but nothing more.

Anyway, I was wondering - is the Silent Earth reference something to do with your bunny-suit-get-me-to-tech-ed-OZ-and-NZ thing? As it was shot in Auckland, New Zealand, the venue for TechEd NZ (and my old home town).

Nic (quite possibly also a NZ and OZ teched presenter).
February 8, 2005 3:07 AM
 

Leo said:

I dunno, I think it's pretty cool. I haven't seen it in action, so maybe it works like crap, but I would love the ability to be working on something in full screen, and then quickly zoom back and see a view like the picture you included. Then I could group different windows together by task, and quickly zoom in and out to get around. The task bar that we have now is better than not having one (like in Windows 3.x), but it still takes a moment to stop and translate what the text of the task bar says and what the icon represents into "oh yeah, I was working on xyz app." It seems to me that having a bigger view like the picture would make that process a lot easier because it is closer to how my brain really works.
February 8, 2005 5:48 AM
 

PatternGuru said:

Mmm, I see you're point at the same time as being totally against it. (You probably know the feeling...)

I've tried SphereXP for a couple of days and was ecstatic about it. Even though, I'm not using it anymore at this moment.

Question is: why is that? Two simple things (for me). One, it's not integrated enough with the OS as such. You see 'the edges' of running a program that tries to nestle inside it as best as it can but not quite succeeds. And two: it's not persistent.

This second one ties in with one of your concerns (the one about '7 +/– 2 memory “registers” for short term memory' actually). If SphereXP would be really part of Windows and would also enable me to make items persistent (maybe even in your proposed profiles/groups on sections of the sphere) so that they are automagically there again where I left off after a reboot, then I think I'd possibly never use a 2D desktop again.

I agree it would enlarge the gap for senior citizens even more, but that can be solved by also working in that area and setting the defaults of the googleplex number of OS options correct for a new OS version ("Windows Senior Edition?"). For most of current-to-next generation of OS users - the ones that are now growing up in 3D first-person shooters for 4 hours a day or more - the 3D desktop will probably be more natural than the current 2D ones.

And as long as we still have actual 2D screens, running a single program (or "profile über-application") full-screen will still be the same.

P.S. Have you actually tried SphereXP for yourself, or are you just ranting about the screenshots, given your own assumptions...? ;-)
February 8, 2005 9:13 AM
 

Ian said:


You know that IS a great idea (Rory's). I've often grouped things in folders so I can just launch them all at once (well mutliple clicks but at least they're in the same place), but to be able to hold them in virtual window would be very handy.

I'm thinking the whole virtual desktop idea might be able to do this, if the management for it was a little easier.
If it was easy to fix an app (or lots of apps at once) to launch into the same virtual desktop then you could just name that desktop 'blogging' and you'd be nearly there.

The sticky app *could* be useful but I think I'd run out of screen real estate too fast.
February 8, 2005 9:19 AM
 

JonR said:

i blame Snow Crash.
February 8, 2005 9:36 AM
 

Ian Dixon said:

I am with you on this Rory, while from a geek point of view it looks nice, try explaining it to end user who has enough problems finding apps via Start All Programs

I like the profile idea, task based UIs

I made my self a simple tabbed browser with .net and IE and created tab sets that open the pages relevent to a task I am doing

Ian
February 8, 2005 9:53 AM
 

SamR said:

I completely agree with PatternGuru. Given persistence, a 3D desktop is only a logical continuation of the prooven and useful plain old Windows Desktop. Only, you get to see the whole application and not only some stupid icon which will launch the application which will or will not restore it's state when it was started the last time.
February 8, 2005 11:58 AM
 

Jeremy Higgs said:

Hi Rory,

Not too sure about the 3D desktop thing, as I haven't used any of the software.

However, with regards to the "groups" suggestion: what about virtual desktops? I've recently started using <a href="http://virtue.sf.net/" title="Virtue">Virtue</a> (on MacOS X... sorry), and have my RSS newsreader (and all browser windows spawned from that) on one "desktop". On another I have Mail and any windows from that, and on another I have XCode and any dev-related stuff. I can also switch between the desktops with user-configurable keyboard (or mouse) shortcuts, and there are purty transitions (like the fast user switching cube effect). ;)

I'm pretty certain there'd be software like this for Windows...
February 8, 2005 12:07 PM
 

Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP] said:

Books are already three dimensional. What do you think happens when you turn the pages, or are you only reading one page books? =)
February 8, 2005 2:43 PM
 

Rob Chartier said:



I completely disagree. I personally like the idea of a 3d desktop, it allows for me to better organize my surroundings. Instead of the minimize/restore idea I can just shove the window back into the 3d space to where it belongs. I can simply keep track of the locations of those windows in memory, just like when I alt-tab over to different applications I know 90% of the time how many tabs it takes to get to each application simply because I’m used to it. In the 3d idea all I need to do is either alt-tab or double click the window, depending on how lazy one hand is over the other. ;)

I personally hate it when any application is full screen. Don’t hide my desktop space. Maybe that is why I see more use out of something like this?

I used one of the older builds of SphereXP, but my video card has only 32mb of RAM so it was painful. They really need to increase the performance of this application to meet the lower end video requirements.

Remember I’m also the type of guy that despises the current windows shell. The Start Menu, and Desktop idea are very annoying and just get in the way of my productivity. For years now I have been using an alternative and do have some experience in using a Microsoft OS without the strings attached. I can imagine most of your pain was felt with the lack of the Desktop/Start Menu touch and feel, or did you even set SphereXP as your shell?

As for grouping applications on launch, have you ever considered something as simple as a batch file?


February 8, 2005 6:19 PM
 

PilotBob said:

I think KDE or Gnome or one of those Linux shells have application groups. It sounds familiar. Either that or it was something I saw on a Channel 9 video from MS Research.

BTW: I am sure you can turn of the '3D' ness of your desktop.

Can you believe some people use the Win 2000 'classic' menu system in Windows XP ? I like XP's menu much better. Although, there are some things the 'classic' does that I like too.

BOb
February 8, 2005 6:58 PM
 

Chris said:

@PilotBob

Can you believe some people use XP's Fisher Price menu? I like the Windows 2000 menu *much* better. Although there are some things I like about the XP style menu.

Your comment is definately a WTF suitable for thedailywtf.com.
February 8, 2005 8:42 PM
 

Sam said:

Hey Rory, since we're already talking about New Zealand, did you know that Quiet Earth is a New Zealand movie?! It was probably the biggest movie out of NZ before The Piano, Then The Frightners (another Peter Jackson movie). And then there was this big budget trilogy, but I can't remember it's name.... jk LOTR!

:)
February 8, 2005 10:09 PM
 

Jason Whittington said:

Actually I've been thinking it would be cool if all applications could "dock" the way windows do in VS2005 - even between applications. In a generic way so I could say, dock Access onto the bottom of Excel and use them both simultaneously....
February 9, 2005 5:18 AM
 

Asaf Add said:

Hello all,

I want to share something with you, Rory. I have a dream. In my dream we have no longer adjusting ourselves to fit our computer, but rather creating a computer aidded envroment. So that users like Dean will no longer have a conflict. If we are talking of Dean I would like to say that I find it aggrivating that although I live and act in a 3D world I need to limit myself to a 2D screen.

As for the 3D desktop itself. I must say I find it strange that none of us had noticed that a 3D desktop can allow aapplication to have an actual 3D UI. not just use the desktop as a pile of 2D windows...
February 9, 2005 1:43 PM
 

Sound Monkey said:

Books, Window Managers, and the Z-Axis:

In my opinion, we're already using as much Z-axis as is neccesary. We put windows 'in front of each other' just like sheets of paper on an actual workspace, or like pages in a book. For a '3D workspace' to be useful, we'd need an ACTUAL 3D INTERFACE. This doesn't just mean one of those dumb mice, it means an actual 3d display.

And frankly, when I envision a '3d desktop' all I want is to see, on my holographic display, exactly what I have here, with background windows actually slightly further back. This means the interface doesn't actually change. All that changes is the perception of the OS becomes somewhat more 'full.'

But I don't think that 3d is the 'direction' we really need to be moving, especially since we're still sucky at developing 2d User interfaces and we don't have real 3D interfaces.
February 10, 2005 6:28 AM
 

megame said:

The best thing about 3D desktops is that they look cool. I’ve always wanted to see them in action, and now there are several different 3D desktop managers. Problem is that they do not work very well in real world where current state of computers (Keyboards are 1D, mousses are 2D, monitors are (mostly) 2D), applications (most applications are designed to work in 2D) and users (some of them even think that command-line/batch interfaces are cool) are not ready for 3D.
I can imagine world where 3D might be cool, but it does not look like my computer now.
But 3D might not be all that useless – there are some cool features which just might get polished and become useful in really real world of our virtual desktops ?:
One cool thing would be ‘desktop overview’ – where pressing Alt+Tab would launch 3D view of all my applications in some reasonable or even customizable order – and then allow me to select to which application to switch next (There is Alt-Tab replacement in XP power toys which does part of this job but it painfully slow).

Now, about Virtue – I don’t know what it is – all I get on the site is bunch of warnings – php error this, php no connection that. Virtual Desktops are noting new – you can get them in Windows XP with Power Toys (which are free) and it’s called Virtual Desktop Manager. Windows NT (on which XP and 2000 are based) had support for multiply Window Stations and on them multiply desktops – it even had public Win32 API support for this – but not many people used this – and Microsoft had application which gave you access to this in NT4 for the first time if I remember correctly.
February 10, 2005 1:43 PM
 

Mark Rosenberg said:

Rory,

What about the fourth dimension (time)? I think we need four dimension books and computers, then we could really confuse the old people!!
February 10, 2005 9:36 PM
 

Jake said:

I searched through the feedback quickly and didn't see anything about groupbar. http://patrickbaudisch.com/projects/groupbar/

If you have access to the MS intranet you can get this off of the toolbox site. It's pretty rough, but I use it from time to time.
February 10, 2005 11:55 PM
 

Jack said:


How about SuperString desktops? Why stop at three dimensions? I think I need at least a nine dimensional desktop. I don't know what it will look like but what the hell, it's an awesome marketing gimmick. I'm pretty certain that I'd feel more confident, verile and manly with a nine dimensional desktop.
February 12, 2005 10:55 AM
 

Carl Franklin said:

So, I downloaded this thing to see if it works. It does, but it's also really slow, windows are unuseable in 3d, and it's generally really confusing. Thumbs down, but A for effort.
February 18, 2005 10:59 AM
 

Mike Woodhouse said:

I would love cross-application workspaces (Excel has them, for example, although they're imperfect in that they aren't 100% state-preserving). I make do with little VB Scripts at present. I kind of hope they'll kinda refactor themselves into something a little more general, especially if I keep them all in the same place. No luck so far, though.
February 18, 2005 2:28 PM
 

Alex James said:

I couldn't agree more. 3D desktops make absolutely no sense to me either....
February 20, 2005 10:01 AM
 

Al said:

I completely disagree. I think 3d desktops are good, to a certain extent.

SphereXP is the good kind. It lets you organize your windows and icons. Project looking glass is similar, it actually organizes.

3DNA on the other hand, is total crap, it's slow, you have to walk around to get to programs. It's made only to impress dumb people who say "ooh, 3d!"

And then there are always people who will always stick to traditional 2d desktops, the same way some people are and always will be against contraception. And I'm not one of them.
April 21, 2005 1:47 AM
 

brandon said:

talking about the state preserving desktop, my ati all-in-wonder vid card comes with software that lets you keep open up to 10 different "desktops". these desktops hold different applications and you can set shortcut keys to different desktops. it also came with a remote control for a computer (fun but totally unneccesary).

speaking of spherexp, i tried it out, and it wawas fun for 2 days, (after i figured out how to work it). its slow, but i still would be using it IF i could see active windows like vido on the desktop. i rate it an a for effort, but totally unnesecary (like a remote control for a computer?!?!)

- brandon
July 21, 2005 5:06 AM
 

MAC said:

I think I must generally agree with the general trend here... 3D stuff seems interesting at first but its usabilty is not such a step forward as some might initially see it. I am the "point and click" type of guy and the less "clicking" I have to do the better.
I have tried all these 3D apps and they have lasted around one hour before I have uninstalled them and deleted them because they seem to consume more effort on my part (let alone my customers who in general do not want to have to think about how to open an MS WORD document). Some 3D apps. require that you have to go wandering around virtual (badly rendered) worlds to find where your icons are... how boring and annoying those are. While the present MS interface is also boring, however often you change your desktop, it is at the present time suffiently simply to use. While I would like to see a better desktop rather than just static pictures... (yes there are a few progs that place videos as your background desktop) that also gets to be boring (always the same videos) what I personally would like to see are live feed videos... say from a natural area, the beach, a forest etc. which is constantly changing... with that I would be quite happy with all my icons where they are... in the START, programs list. In the end "usability" is what its all about... I think many more years must pass by until something turns up that offers both improved usability and high interest.
October 17, 2005 8:42 PM
 

MAC said:

MICROSOFT XP SENIOR EDITION ?!!???


hahahaaaaaaaa.... that one has left me laffing for days.....
October 17, 2005 8:52 PM
 

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