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Dear Linux Magazine...

It’s late in the day, I’m on a flight to Portland from Dallas, and I’ve only been home once over the past fifteen days or so. It might be that I’m really tired and cranky right now, but the Letter From the Editor in this month’s issue of Linux Magazine has really gotten my dander up (that’s a saying, right? I never know when I’m mixing metaphors because so few of them make any damned sense).

Since I doubt that a letter from me to the editor of Linux Magazine would get printed (both because of the topic/tone and the length), I’ve decided to respond here on my own little corner of web real estate.

I’ve also decided that I’m going to write this without bashing Linux or its community (I will say things about open source which aren’t complimentary, but entirely to make a point – not simply to bash). Martin’s column was so far out of line that he does enough on his own to make the open source community look bad (although, fortunately, he doesn’t represent it – I’ve met plenty of people in the OSS community who have tact and a sense of diplomacy).

Without any further introduction, then, I’ll get started.

Martin begins his letter with this:

Poor, poor Microsoft. It has gobs of cash, a small army of employees, the greatest monopoly of all time, and it’s still boring as hell. Longhorn. Snooze. MSN Search. Yawn. Windows 2003 Server. Like watching grass grow. Why if it wasn’t for Windows security breaches and blue screens of death, Microsoft would provide no excitement at all.

I’m not going to try to argue that there’s anything particularly exciting about Windows Server 2003, but then I’m also not going to try to argue that there should be. I’m not even certain what one might consider “excitement” to be when talking about an operating system.

Windows Server 2003 is a business platform, and the last thing that most businesses want in their server rooms is excitement.

Older Microsoft server platforms, however, have been exciting, and it never did the company any good. It was probably exciting to watch the calendar and wait for that magical day to roll around when you had to run off and reboot your NT 4.0 server. Reboots of production environments are always exciting, and especially when you don’t know if the machine will come back up again. There are many very good reasons why we try to get companies to upgrade their NT 4.0 installs (and, yes, before anybody else gets the chance: money is one of those reasons – duh – you caught us – let’s move on now).

With Windows Server 2003, we have a worthy platform for delivering network based applications. It isn’t exciting, but stability and consistency never are.

Which, in a strange way, is kind of exciting. We’re getting better.

But rather than sit here and gloat, and in the interest of promoting healthy competition, Mr. Gates and Mr. Ballmer, here’s my advice.

I guess you’re going to tell us how it’s done, Martin.

While I certainly can’t claim to speak for Gates or Ballmer, I also can’t keep my mouth shut, so I’ll be responding myself.

I hope you don’t mind.

1. Join the standards club. Yes, creating your own standards is fun for your developers, but you’re alienating the countless hordes of developers and users that don’t have a Microsoft 401(K). Make Office interoperable, make Internet Explorer compliant with World Wide Web Consortium standards, and lose the innards of CIFS.

I totally agree. I would personally love to see Office’s formats opened up and documented. It’s already a fact that companies and developers who want to reverse engineer our formats will. In some cases, the reverse engineering leads to products that will actually help sell Office, so why shouldn’t we make this easier?

I would argue that the strength of the Office line isn’t in its file formats, but in the quality of its applications. I might be crazy, but I don’t see how playing nicely with the rest of the world would hurt us there, so we’re in agreement here.

I also agree about IE and standards. I’d love to see us put out a kick-ass browser that conforms to standards.

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

2. Pick a ship date for Longhorn and hit it. The other pesky Fortune 499 companies tend to dislike uncertainty. It costs them money and money tends to keeps [sic] them in the Fortune 499. Oh yeah, it’d be nice if Longhorn did something more than just run Word 2007. Scratch that. Word 2006. Well, you tell us.

Thinking a few years back, I recall waiting impatiently with the rest of the world for version 2.4 of the Linux kernel to “ship.” We all wanted it, and some people were quite vocal about it.

What was the answer we got? Time and time again?

“It will ship when it’s ready.”

And this is still the mantra of open source. But guess what: You guys are playing in the same field as the rest of us now, and you, too, are running the risk of pissing off customers by letting release targets slip (or by simply not revealing release targets in the first place).

Money aside, let’s go back to a line in the opening paragraph:

Why if it wasn’t for Windows security breaches and blue screens of death, Microsoft would provide no excitement at all.

Here’s the deal: Do you think we ought to ship a product early, or do you think we ought to ship it finished?

In some ways this really is a tough decision, but I think it would be accurate to say that developers in Redmond are tired of hearing the same old crap about blue screens (which, for the most part, are caused by poorly written third-party drivers over which Microsoft has little or no control).

I think execs are tired of it.

I think that even the janitors don’t want to hear it anymore.

People inside the company have looked at some of the biggest problems that we’ve dealt with in the past, and now there’s an effort to correct them. It’s required a lot of change and a lot of effort, but it’s going to result in tighter products that are more stable and secure. Is that a bad thing?

Another reason for the pushbacks is that Microsoft is extremely good at listening to customers. We’ve implemented features in products because one customer asked that it be done.

We’ve been paying attention to feedback on Longhorn (as well as other products), and it turns out that there are some things customers would prefer we did very differently. So we are.

Open source projects are notoriously developer-oriented. This isn’t a bad thing, but ignoring user feedback is an easy way to stay on schedule, and it’s not an option we’ve provided ourselves.

Apple, with its North Korea/Iron Curtain secrecy, isn’t set up to deal with this kind of feedback.

Longhorn is currently running on machines all over the world in various states of readiness, and we’re hearing from those people all the time.

It slows things down, yes, but it’s also hopefully going to result in the best desktop operating system we’ve ever released.

3. Stop spreading FUD. As my grandmother used to say, “Talk less, do more.”

First of all, we’re competing. Linux vs. Microsoft vs. Oracle vs. Your Mamma. It’s a giant ring of companies, organizations, and technohippies stabbing each other in the back.

And what do you expect? That’s business, and we aren’t the only ones guilty of doing it.

Oracle spreads FUD. Apple spreads FUD. And, yes, the open source community spreads FUD.

In fact, “FUD” is the only good way that I can think of to describe the content of the letter from which I’ve been quoting this whole time.

FUD:

Fear

By saying that one of the only “exciting” aspects of Windows is the beating we’ve taken regarding security, you’re indirectly warning people not to use our software because it might be insecure. To balance this out, you could begin by mentioning at least a few steps we’ve taken in the right direction regarding security, such as automatic Windows Updates. We often have patches and fixes for problems, but people just won’t download and install them.

I’ve never had a problem with viruses, worms, trojans, or spyware on any of my XP boxes. It’s quite possible and even easy to keep XP clean. We just need to make it easier for customers.

Uncertainty

When you talk trash about Microsoft missing ship dates, you’re raising questions about our ability to get a product out the door on time. If you had dug a little deeper and examined why we might be delaying products, you could have found a silver lining.

But you didn’t.

Doubt

Your entire letter has a tone which does little to promote anything but doubt about whether or not we could possibly do a good job.

I mean, there’s FUD everywhere throughout.

My name is Kettle, and it’s nice to meet you, Mr. Pot.

4. Require vendors to neuter PCs. The real source of your security woes is those damned Ethernet adapters. And in any case, the personal computer is soon to be replaced with cell phones, set-top boxes, game machines, and other dedicated devices. The real opportunity is porting Windows to a new generation of truly personal computers…

You gotta love people who do their research.

Your idea to port “Windows to a new generation of truly personal computers” is a good one…

…that’s older than the Linux kernel.

We’re in phones, DVRs, a rather popular “game machine,” portable media devices, watches, and more. The list goes on, and I’m not going to spend my Friday night writing it all out.

We are, in short, all over the damn place.

So your idea, it turns out, is a very good one. It’s just a little late.

…as you’ll read in this month’s special section “Linux Solutions: Government,” Linux and open source are becoming more and more influential. Standards are widely supported, the software is innovative…

Innovative?

You mean the graphical UIs like Gnome and KDE which, in many default configurations, mimic Windows and its Start menu?

Applications like OpenOffice which are modeled on our Office line of products?

Software that’s supposed to replace our own with open source versions?

One of the most popular open source applications is a Photoshop clone for which a hack was recently released to make it even clonier.

I guess I just don’t see the innovation, and I’m not being flippant.

It’s a silly argument anyway. There isn’t anything about either platform which inherently drives innovation. It’s up to the people using the tools to design for the platform, and I honestly believe that Microsoft is the leader here.

And before anybody tries to argue that I’m just blinded by all the dough that Microsoft is paying me, keep in mind that I could triple my salary by going to work as a consultant on open source products. Microsoft does not pay that well – you work here because you want to work here. My bank account is lower than its been in four years, and I don’t care because, finally, I’m actually happy. I’m doing what I want to do.

The dough is most definitely not the reason I’d say any of this, but I’m guessing that it would come up, so I thought I’d handle it before the comments section was filled with “shill” accusations.

Of course, Linux isn’t controlled by any single company, so it’ll never be a monopoly. Windows will always be superior in that regard.

I’m a little confused at how the word “monopoly” is being used here.

If Microsoft has a monopoly on Windows, then Coca-Cola has a monopoly on Coke, Ford on Mustangs, Colgate on Colgate toothpaste, and so on.

However, Coca-Cola doesn’t have a monopoly on cola, Ford doesn’t have a monopoly on cars, and Colgate doesn’t have a monopoly on toothpaste.

Likewise, Microsoft doesn’t have a monopoly on operating systems. We have competitors, and some of them are putting up a real fight.

If you want to insist that Linux has any significant market share, then you’re going to have to stop hiding behind all this tired old crap about monopolies. If you truly believe that we have a monopoly on operating systems, then you’re just saying that Linux hasn’t made any headway at all.

You and I both know that this isn’t true, so you have to decide: Are we a monopoly, or are you a successful competitor?

Whichever it is, I must say that I’m shocked that, with all the “innovation” and “excitement” in the world of Linux, you couldn’t find anything better to write about in a monthly column of a Linux magazine than Microsoft.

Published Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:41 PM by Rory

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Comments

 

Hermann Klinke said:

Amen to whatever Rory says!
April 2, 2005 8:58 PM
 

Mike Shaffer said:

You've written some gems in the past, ones that made me spit coffee all over my monitor they were so funny. But you've reached a new height...

Brilliant. Well written. Well thought out.

Amen brother....
April 2, 2005 9:38 PM
 

Joe said:

Awesome stuff rory. If you want to continue on a read like this, sort of, read this new blog I found the other day over something close.
http://buddylindsey.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-does-microsoft-suck.html
April 2, 2005 9:47 PM
 

Chris Sells said:

I'm pretty sure that Colgate *does* have a monopoly on *Colgate* toothpaste...
April 2, 2005 9:49 PM
 

Rory said:

Chris -

Yes, my friend, but they don't have a monopoly on *toothpaste* toothpaste :)

To be fair to the Rodawgg, I was clear about that.

Also, I miss you.
April 2, 2005 9:54 PM
 

Ongen said:

Here here Rory. A well written response to a thoroughly stupid letter (your right, it would never have been published :) )
April 2, 2005 10:08 PM
 

Anonymous said:

Rory... hero.. dude...

Language transformations are taking place.

Is there a difference in cognitive construct when using the term, 'us', than when using the term, 'my employer'?

Just wunnerin'

(and maybe making a little trouble)

:>



April 2, 2005 10:52 PM
 

Bob Reselman said:

T'is me:

Rory... hero.. dude...

Language transformations are taking place.

Is there a difference in cognitive construct when using the term, 'us', than when using the term, 'my employer'?

Just wunnerin'

(and maybe making a little trouble)

:>
April 2, 2005 10:53 PM
 

Rory said:

Bob -

"Is there a difference in cognitive construct when using the term, 'us', than when using the term, 'my employer'?"

Absolutely. The more time I spend at Microsoft, the more I get the feeling that I have my own ideas about what's good for the company and that they're just as valid as any other employee's ideas.

By saying "us" or "we," I'm trying to lend what I'm saying a little more weight. It, at least in my opinion, forces me to take more responsibility for what I'm saying.

This doesn't mean that I'm disappearing into the b0rg cube, but rather than I'm feeling much more comfortable in my role as an MS employee.

"Rory the Individual" still exists :) He's just being complimented by "Rory the Guy Who Really Wants Microsoft To Succeed."
April 2, 2005 11:51 PM
 

Andy said:

I agree with you I want no excitement in my server OS's so I prefer my servers to be Sun Solaris. With Server 2003 MS has gotten much, much closer to what I want though.

On the desktop MS has no equal. Hands down MS is the best desktop OS on the planet for all the reasons people need and use desktops. Linux isn't evn close and I certainley wouldn't use Linux for a server environment either. MS Office also has no equal, clones that get close yes, but an innovative equal no.

You really should however open the file formats as you said, then submit them as a standard to whatever standards body regulates file formats. There are two things that really make MS my first choice money maker:


1.) (this is the big one)I feel comfortable giving it to any of my users be they absolute non-tech people or advanced users. I know that they can be effective and productive using MS products. You cannot say the same about Linux. You hand Linux to the average corporate user and they will go find somebody elses machine to log in on.

2.) (This is a new one for me) The developer IDE and C & C++ compilers in 2005. Up until 2005 I have prefered Borland and or gcc for a lot of reasons but mainly because it was so hard to port anything written in MSVC to any other compiler environments. Now that isn't the case anymore for the most part. VC++ 2005 is probably one of the top three compilers of all time that I have used so far. The IDE is still a little annoying but it's getting easier to turn off the features that are simply distracting not functional. I will be switching this year to using this compiler full-time for our projects.

If I could ask one super special request from MS it would be this: Please give us an open standard lib format so that other compilers can link against static libs created by MSVC++ or a conversion tool that will convert static libs from MS's lib format to an open one like gcc's .a format.
April 3, 2005 12:50 AM
 

Eric Maino said:

Great write up... It's also great to see the passion (future)co-workers have about the company... I can't wait to officially join the team and make my own mark.

Congrats on the engagement as well!
April 3, 2005 12:51 AM
 

Jay said:


I am a Linux junkie. I work for a Fortune 4 (does that narrow it down?) company and I use Windows XP on my desktop. At home, I've used nearly all versions of Windows in the past, and about twice as many different versions and distributions of Linux. I have been using Linux for close to 10 years now.

Given that background, I STILL don't agree with, nor do I even understand, these types of Linux editorial.

Rory, I agree with you 100%. This is FUD.

Further, I'd argue that Windows is WAY more exciting than Linux. Windows has all of these neat toys and tools you can use to personalize it. ThemeXP and PowerToys and others. You can make changes just by clicking. On Linux, one must learn the unique format of some rc file for whatever desktop environment you may be using. This isn't exciting, this is painful.

Now the Linux lover in me sees all of this getting much better very soon in the linux world. Just as we got true type fonts 8 or so years ago, and antialiased fonts a few years after that... we will soon be getting the XRender, Damage, and all these pretty add ons for the 20 year old X windows environment.

I could continue on with a point counter point for quite sometime, but rather than do that, let me just say that if you are on the cutting edge of both platforms, Windows is FAR more exciting.

In Windows, developing managed code and using Windows Forms to build rich client applications is easy and fun and it all just works. In Linux, Mono is just catching up to where .NET was year ago! What is the excitement in that?

In Windows, avalon development and the future sounds pretty exciting to me. I'm actually a bit surprised that the Mono group hasn't spent more time on the future and avalon, rather than implementing System.Window.Forms as Mono.Window.Forms. Of course, the linux user in me cannot wait for MWF to be usable.

But the author of the editorial didn't make any specific points. Martin doesn't really say much of anything. I think Martin is assuming a certain type of reader. The agenda seems to be to take a would-be Linux zealot, and turn him or her into a sure-thing Linux zealot.

That is just what we need, more people posting falsehoods on slashdot.

April 3, 2005 2:43 AM
 

Sriram said:

Brilliant, Rory. Sheer brilliance :)
April 3, 2005 3:57 AM
 

Mark Anthony Spiteri said:

Amen to that. This is must be your best post ever Rory.

However it's sad to see these type of articles still being written and such comments constantly made in Forums. Oh well I guess everyone has his right to an opinion - even if it's a crappy one ;)
April 3, 2005 7:11 AM
 

John said:

s/dander/gander
April 3, 2005 8:08 AM
 

John said:

...oh. I take it back. I'm not sure. Perhaps it is 'dander'...
April 3, 2005 8:16 AM
 

paul said:

Shout-out the FUD!!!
April 3, 2005 3:22 PM
 

Michael Giagnocavo said:

"I also agree about IE and standards. I’d love to see us put out a kick-ass browser that conforms to standards."

Any one in particular?

I think "opening" the formats that Office uses sounds like a complex and wasteful task. How does that encourage more people to build on Office? Instead they should provide an object model or development platform or something...

April 3, 2005 4:39 PM
 

Clint Hill said:

I say we put these types of people on the spot. I say, publically call them out and say "welcome to Microsoft - how can I help you today?". Make them put it on the table instead of hiding behind these mag editorials and forums. Make it real by giving them a trip to Redmund and let them sit in front of a small group and let them drive the boat on a small project. My bet is they would fail, just like their articles all seem to say Microsoft does.

My personal opinion is when it comes time for them to actually make a better OS/app/browser they can't. All they are really good at is making a stink. Anytime I have read articles from people like this, I always find myself saying "have you ever really been apart of a software project?"
April 3, 2005 5:04 PM
 

Rory said:

Michael -

Rory: "I also agree about IE and standards. I’d love to see us put out a kick-ass browser that conforms to standards."

Michaeil: "Any one in particular?"

Whatever we have to do so that people will stop calling us out on it.

It isn't an issue that particularly bothers me, but it seems to drive other people nuts. Since it wouldn't hurt people who don't care, and since it would bring joy to the little hearts of the people who do, we might as well do it.

"I think "opening" the formats that Office uses sounds like a complex and wasteful task. How does that encourage more people to build on Office? Instead they should provide an object model or development platform or something..."

I totally disagree.

First of all, we already have object models that allow people to drive Office programatically. We also have that product with the really long name - "Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office System" which allows devs to do some pretty sweet stuff.

However, there are, believe it or not, times when you'll want Office-like functionality and compatability without requiring that the product be installed on a machine.

For example, I used to *love* CMSs (Content Management System - yeah, you probably already knew that, but not everybody does).

These things typically require some kind of WYSIWYG editor.

There was a package I was looking at putting together, and I wanted to provide a rich Word-like environment within the CMS without requiring that Word be installed on the system.

You can get pretty far without special tools, but what happens when people want to drop Word files in and have the CMS parse them? What about people who want to export to Word?

If they don't have Office on the system, then an automation model for Word isn't going to help. Some other tool that can read/write Word files would be needed, and that tool would obviously need to understand Word's lingo.

And that's just one example.

Also, there would be a "feel good" effect by opening up the formats. Even if *nobody* ever did anything with them, it would be one less thing people could bitch about.

There's more, but I think that the two reasons I've provided more than justify opening up the formats.

You call it a waste of time, but with 55,000 people on hand and tons of dough in the bank, I think MS can afford the time/money that would be necessary to accomplish this task.
April 3, 2005 5:50 PM
 

marco said:

Rory, I completely agree with you.
If you would ever triplicate your salary, however, please let me know. No, I won't offer you a job, I'd just like to get yours at MS, if you quit... :)

anyway, I REALLY enjoy working with MS technology, I am a .NET junkie. I'd like working with MS itself, but anyway MS tech just let me grow my own software company.
That's innovation.
Innovation is not, IMHO, using an old kernel based upon an older OS that some company payed for long ago, and telling: WOW we are some free, cool developers who developed this penguin out of the blue!
AND The fact that I do not have to be IN LOVE with recompiling of my OS just makes me happier.
m.
p.s.: when my old NT4 went fishing on a BSOD, I used that time to socialize. Seeing Aydika, you did it, too.
April 3, 2005 6:14 PM
 

Andy said:

On the Office file format question, aren't MS making steps in that direction aready with the Office 2003 XML Reference Schemas?

http://www.microsoft.com/office/xml/default.mspx
April 3, 2005 10:36 PM
 

Chris said:

pwn3d.

simple as that.

nice work Rory.
April 4, 2005 4:06 PM
 

Mark Freedman said:

Great response, Rory. Not one of your funniest posts, but definitely one of your most thoughtful and significant posts.
April 4, 2005 5:14 PM
 

Steve Maje said:

That's right, I drank the Microsoft Kool-Aid. And you know what? It was good!!! I deal with this kind of prejudice against the MS machine everyday. It's touted by the same people that once loved Google because it wasn't Yahoo, and now hate Google because they are successful. In my mind, they seem like little more than a bunch of jealous children. I use what works. Frankly, spending hours on end configuring a Linux box is not my idea of a good time.
April 4, 2005 6:46 PM
 

bliz said:

impressive. :)
April 4, 2005 10:26 PM
 

Nicholas Sing said:

All the Linux zealots do is say the same statements over and over again. I've spent ours arguing with some of these Linux users about dislikes for Windows and honestly the same keywords comes up:
Fud, Monopoly, Ms, Microsoft, Foss, Open Source, Gpl, Blue Screen Of Death, Viruses, Security holes, bugs...
But what angers me most about Open Source software is that they are usually have no installers and have to be compiled. Instead of automatically doing this software makes you write up config files, change options, etc...
They want to control the market and the problem is that if the Linux OS was the leader in the operating system market they would be souring down. If they ever will control the market they will crash millions of jobs.
But picture this:
Joe is an average person who just wants to use the computer to type a few e-mails every week and print a word document or two.
Joe doesn't know how to search the internet.
Joe is going blind so she needs software to cope with her disability. Unfortunately the software she doesn't work with her distro because version 2.0 was realesed and shes on versio 1.0.
The average response is WHO CARES ABOUT JOE!
but unless they address key issues like this they will just be complaining and complaining about Ms.
The one thing that no matter how hard Microsoft have tried to get out to the public is that they want customer feedback but aren't getting it from the right people. Probably the only complaint you guys get from them is lame linux flames. What you need is descriptions of what they hate about your products and learn that Microsoft Windows ain't going open source and will only give you the package that you want anyway. From the outside it seems that everyone wants a killer browser from the IE team and they say theres gonna be an IE 7 but they are very quiet about it. We want to know what features are going to be in IE 7 will it work properly with web standards? Will it support tabbed browsing? Will sites have to be recoded to work with IE 7? Will people bother to download it? Seen as the zealots who have probably illegally downloaded Windows XP and Longhorn wish not to give feedback about there complaints Microsoft have no where to look but a blind road and as much as they try users will always complain.
April 5, 2005 6:08 AM
 

Nicholas Sing said:

***Edit***
Let them realise
April 5, 2005 6:10 AM
 

Anonymous said:

Boy this post was boring.
April 5, 2005 4:31 PM
 

Rory said:

"Boy this post was boring."

Boy, that comment was boring.
April 5, 2005 5:53 PM
 

Judah said:

April 6, 2005 2:35 AM
 

Alan C. said:

amen.
April 6, 2005 7:47 PM
 

Rick Noelle said:

I co-worker had a stack of Linux Magazines laying around and I was checking them out and realized that the so-called editor (same guy, Martin) attempts to bash Microsoft and Windows every chance he gets, every month. I found myself thinking, "Isn't this supposed to be *Linux* Magazine?" What the hell? I just don't get the mindset of people like this. For the heck of it I was going to count how many times the word "Microsoft" or "Windows" appeared in his editorials. Write about the topic of your magazine and get over it dude. For somebody so anti-Microsoft he sure seems to know a lot about the products. This also struck me as odd. What I want to tell a guy like this is whoever told us we have to pick one or the other? I like both and I'm sure plenty of others do to. I love Windows Server 2003 and I also like hacking around on Linux. I want to buy a Mac G5. I want it all. Also, I want to ask Martin how much charity money he has donated in his lifetime. I want to tell him suspect it would take him a million of his pathetic lifetimes to even come close the amount of money that Bill Gates donates to charities in one year. Who is having a more positive impact on society? Linux Magazine, please get a new editor. The rest of your magazine is pretty kick-ass. Just that slap in the face when you open the cover that I hate with a passion.
April 7, 2005 6:09 AM
 

Mark Miller said:

The way I see it the letter from the Linux Magazine editor is just one big, bitter, sarcastic rant, with no intellectual value that I can see. Rather than taking offense at it, another way of looking at it is it's just a sign of their decline.

I used to see OSS advocates in the dotnet.general newsgroup a lot. They'd cross post there, while posting to the Linux and Java newsgroups, and they'd say a lot of the same stuff, and worse. Reading Rory's excerpts of it was like seeing a repeat of many posts I used to see on there. They used to get my dander up too, but I also saw it as a sign of their desperation.

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't noticed a bunch of Windows or .Net advocates going around on newsgroups or online discussion boards, flaming or polluting discussions with a bunch of irrelevant garbage about how bad OSS is and how great Windows/.Net is. I think it's because most developers in our neck of the woods feel we can focus on our jobs, and let MS do theirs. We know we don't have to do MS's job for them.

Have you seen RedHat, Mandrake, or SuSE, or any of the other distros aggressively marketing their platform as MS does? (maybe you haven't, but you've seen IBM marketing for them) Perhaps Sun does a good job with marketing Java. I don't know, but I think that community has some contentious problems they have to deal with.

Any difficulty a standard bearer has with its products, particularly in the marketing department, tends to show up among its devoted followers as them talking smack against their competitor.
April 7, 2005 7:23 AM
 

Anonymous said:

""Boy this post was boring."

Boy, that comment was boring. "

Boy, that comment was boring.
April 8, 2005 7:34 PM
 

J Strickland said:

Very well thought out, articulate response to an obviously vehement, blindly written editorial.

I personally have run various flavors of Linux for the past 12 years, and various versions of Microsoft for 16. I use both still today, (Linux for my server applications, and Microsoft for the interoperability with the rest of the business world, ie. Word).

I'm in no way a Microsoft basher (I am however, an advocate of Linux), and would like to respond to one comment on this posting that kind of struck me as odd:

"Maybe it's just me, but I haven't noticed a bunch of Windows or .Net advocates going around on newsgroups or online discussion boards, flaming or polluting discussions with a bunch of irrelevant garbage about how bad OSS is and how great Windows/.Net is."

Because Microsoft and various "independent" (read funded by Microsoft and other large corporations that feel threatened by OSS) do the bashing for them. I don't know how many times I've read quotes from Microsoft Executives throwing FUD as bad or (dare I say it), worse than the horrid FUD that the editor of Linux Magazine wrote.

Personally, I'd love to see Microsoft continue to improve. I believe they've been headed in the right direction for the past few years, (barring the release of ME, but that's another story altogether). I would like to see some collaboration between MS developers and the OSS community, as I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive, and maybe if there was a working relationship between the two polar extremes, there wouldn't be nearly as much of that drivel that people like the editor of Linux Magazine and DiDio.

But in the end, people will bash, tempers will rise, and the extremists will be the only ones heard, as they're the ones screaming the loudest and longest. All in all, people will end up using what works best for them, and if it works, who cares what you use, as long as you're satisfied.

Again Rory, great post, I'm glad I waded through the Trolls to find your message on /. a score of 1 doesn't usually get read. It's nice to see a similar view by someone working for "the Evil Empire" as so many Linux advocates (and I'll admit, I've used the term myself) like to call MS.

Wow, didn't mean this to be as long as it is, but oh well, it is what it is.
April 9, 2005 12:29 AM
 

Mark Miller said:

"I would like to see some collaboration between MS developers and the OSS community, as I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive"

I don't mind the idea either. I mean, heck, there are some OSS projects on SourceForge that are written almost exclusively for Windows/.Net. I can name a couple: SharpDevelop, an open source IDE for .Net, which is being ported to work with Mono as well. I used an open source web-based HTML editor control that was designed for use in IE, called FCKEditor, in a recent project I completed. It worked quite nicely.

So it seems to me there are Microsoft developers who have already joined the OSS community. Of course the licenses allow their products to be ported to other platforms, but they started in the Microsoft realm.
April 10, 2005 3:24 AM
 

Martin Streicher said:


Hey, Rory. I have been swamped with deadlines and the like, so please excuse my delay.

I appreciate your response. Many of my friends earn their living coding for Windows, and I earned my living working on Windows and Mac from 1993-2001 as the producer or technical director for After Dark and YOU DONT KNOW JACK and other software. I am sure that software people are the same everywhere, coding to their heart's content.

I do think that many of the issues that plague Windows end-users are inexcusable. If Microsoft Windows was a car, I think it would face mandatory recalls. I am sure MS people try hard to fix things, but the rhetoric of "Mea Culpa" is getting a little old. It's not the message of individuals, but of Microsoft leaders that I find hard to tolerate. Blogs and forums may share the views of employees, but the world at large sees the message of Bill, Steve, Jim, and Co.

And speaking personally, having to maintain my family's computers, I can tell you that I am not a happy Microsoft customer. I've settled back to Windows 2000 due to severe problems with XP on a desktop and laptop. Viruses, spyware, pop-ups, etc. My Macs? Flawless.

I'd be happy to run your letter, if you can condense it for print. You can point to the whole online letter, but I could not run anything as long as your post. (I just have one page for letters.)

Martin
April 28, 2005 8:45 PM
 

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Rory's writing is maturing
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That Old Chestnut
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