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My own private Trainspotting - Lexapro withdrawal

[Note: Even if you don’t care about my mental state, you engineering types might enjoy my explanation of how certain anti-depressants work that appears in the second half of this post – just scroll halfway down to find it.]

It’s another week, which means another mental/medical party extravaganza with the Rodawgg (that’s me).

This time, I’m getting off the anti-depressants I started taking almost ten months ago. The drug in question is called “Lexapro,” and I’ve had a very fine almost-year on it, thankyouverymuch.

Now that the year is almost up, I don’t need the stuff. When I go see my shrink nowadays, I just sit there, smile, and wait for her to call me an asshole. I think I’ll be able to get by on psychotherapy alone now.

The lame bit is that there’s a period of withdrawal with this stuff, and I’ve been going through it for about two weeks now. You wouldn’t think that it would be such a big deal, but I feel like I’ve been tossed around like an emotional ping-pong ball in a tsunami (<– timely allusion).

I’ve found that the best way to deal with the rougher periods is to distract myself, and, right now, I’m choosing to distract myself by writing a blog post. I’ve been feeling weird all day – like my brain is in one place and my body is in another.

It’s been one hell of an experience. The class of drug I’m taking, known as an SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) is, I think, misunderstood by most people. Some drugs with which you might be familiar (Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Paxil, etc.) fall into this family of drug. I remember being in high school and talking to friends who had taken three or four Prozac at a time, expecting to feel really, really happy.

What they didn’t get is that SSRIs don’t make you feel happy – at all. Prozac, known by some as a “happy pill,” is anything but.

What you do get is a lessened emotional response to things. Rather than making you really happy, SSRIs tend to work by preventing you from feeling really bad. However, at the same time, they can put a lower ceiling on your positive emotions as well. It’s almost as though your positive and negative emotions are attached to unusually short bungee cords, preventing them from ever getting completely out of control. The idea is that you should be able to get a handle on the problems in your life while taking the SSRI, get over the larger humps, get off the drug, and move on.

But there’s still this crazy period when the drug is leaving your system. I’ve been tapering off, which is to say that I’ve been reducing the dosage little by little over a couple weeks, but it only helps so much. I’m currently, even as I write, going through one of those periods when I’m having side-effects that call for treatment from other drugs with their own long lists of side-effects. The one I’m treating today is dizziness, which set in about forty-eight hours ago, and I’ve taken some meclizine (a long lasting anti-histamine meant to lessen the effects of vertigo and nausea), and it’s made me so tired that the only thing keeping me awake right now is typing (along with the pitcher of black tea I drank a few minutes ago).

In part, I’m leaving this post here so that other people who are going through anti-depressant withdrawal can find it, read it, and understand that, no, there’s nothing unusual about wanting to fall flat on your face and have a one-person barf-party when you’re coming off of this stuff. It sucks, but I guess that’s part of the cost of going on it in the first place and benefiting from the drug.

Some of you are software geek types, and I thought you might be interested in how the drug works. It might just be me, but I find the brain utterly, utterly fascinating, very much in the same way I find programming to be fascinating.

Basically, your brain isn’t just one consistent piece of thinkmeat, but rather a collection of components that work together to effect some outcome. There are autonomous bits which work on their own (the bits that keep you alive, like the brain stem), but the much more interesting hunks of thoughtflesh are the ones which aren’t there to keep you breathing.

The individual parts of your brain which operate your “higher” cognitive brain functions operate in some ways like a democracy, where the systems with the most votes are the systems that get activated (for the Educated brain-lover out there, I know that this is a gross oversimplification, but I’m trying to explain something simply here). The way votes are cast is with neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters are chemical messengers that cause the activation (or inhibition) of the different types of neurons you have up in your noggin. The neurons that are in your noggin are almost like little individual CPUs, making your brain one hell of a network cluster.

There are some neurons which will only be activated once a certain level of stimulation has been reached (called an “Action Potential” in smarty-pants terms), and this level of stimulation is dependent on the activity of neurotransmitters.

OK. It’s a lot more complicated than that, but that’s a simple way to introduce the idea, and I’m sure someone will follow up in the comments with a more detailed explanation.

Another way to think of your “higher” brain is as a small city of different buildings, or businesses, each with its own set of duties for which it is responsible to the city.

There’s a business that handles the “executive planning” for the city, a business that handles the maintenance of the city’s language, a business that handles foreign languages, a business that processes all data related to spatial problems, and many more.

There are also some businesses which handle the processing of data that might either make you happy or totally flipping looney depressed.

Now imagine that one of those businesses isn’t doing so well – stock prices are down, morale is down, and employees just stop showing up for work. Eventually, there aren’t enough people coming in to keep the business running efficiently. It’s a tough problem, too, because as the business goes down the tubes, fewer and fewer people feel inclined to come into work, and the business does even worse, eventually leading to a sort of localized economic depression.

See where I’m going with this?

We have a company (brain component) which is part of the “I feel GOOD!” vertical, it’s going down the tubes, and the company’s employees (neurotransmitters) aren’t coming in to do their jobs.

So, what do you do? The answer is simple: you outsource your problem to an organization which can help your business get back on its feet.

In this case, the consulting agency, known as “Lexapro” (which, when you think about it, wouldn’t be a bad name for an agency), comes in and helps bridge the gap. There are fewer employees (neurotransmitters) around, and Lexapro teaches the ones who are still there how to do their jobs more efficiently. The workers eventually get really good at what they’re doing, and they begin staying at work longer, helping to get the business back on its feet. Over time, the business regains lost ground, gets its books in the black, and is performing as well as ever. Gradually, the missing employees start filing back into work, wanting to take part in the business that’s beginning to kick ass again. Once that process is complete, Lexapro says “My work here is finished,” takes off, and leaves the business to operate on its own, but this time doing well.

I don’t know if you care or not, but you now have a decent understanding of how an SSRI works.

When a neurotransmitter hops from one neuron to another, it passes through a very small gap between the neurons called a “synapse.” The neurotransmitter then attaches itself to its target neuron’s receptor, causes a chemical change to occur in that neuron, and is then recycled so that it can be used again. The process of snatching that neurotransmitter from the synaptic cleft is known as “reuptake.”

What an SSRI does is delay reuptake of the neurotransmitter. This causes the chemical to remain a little longer than normal (like an employee doing overtime), rendering it slightly more effective than before. The result is more productivity from the neurotransmitter.

Eventually, or so I’ve been told, the brain is supposed to adapt and attempt to keep up with production of needed neurotransmitters (serotonin in this case) on its own after the SSRI is withdrawn. It doesn’t always work, and some people need to stay on these drugs for their entire lives, but I’m hoping not to be one of them.

However, as with any great shift in activity at a business, there’s a period of confusion and upheaval that takes place, and it typically occurs twice: during the beginning of the change, and at the end of the change.

I’m in the end right now, and hoping that everything transfers smoothly.

So, yeah. That’s what I did today :)

Now it’s time to get back to freaking out. I no longer have this post to distract me…

 

Published Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 AM by Rory

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Don Demsak said:

If you ever want to read a good book on the weird tricks the brain can play on itself pick up "Phantoms in the Brain" by V. S. Ramachandran. This book was featured in a PBS show a couple years ago, which is why I went out and bought it. Among some of the the cooler topics were:

Why do amputees, even people born without complete limbs, sense the presence of missing organs?

A man who insists he is talking with God challenges us to ask: Could we be "wired" for religious experience?

And the best is all the "phantom limbs" stories, where people who lost limbs have some but not all of the sections of the brain that were used in the senses of that limb are partially remapped, leaving them feeling as though the limb still exists. Great example is where someone who lost a hand and would have to scratch an itch on the phantom hand, by scratching a spot on their face.
April 19, 2005 2:09 AM
 

Nic Wise said:

Good luck with getting off them. A VERY close friend of mine got off Aropax, but she still has night sweets and the like now and again - and it's > 18months later :(. Not something the doctors said anything about when they put her on them - SSRI's are not a lot of fun to shake.... takes time.

Of course, 2 weeks in Bali made the come down a lot easier :)

Your SSRI story is quite accurate, as far as I know - you can also add the workings of a lot of (legal and illegal) drugs to that - eg Coke, grog and cigarettes does the same to dopamine (release lots of it), and Zyban (to stop smoking) stops the re-uptake. Ecstasy releases a LOT of seratonin (which is taken back up at normal pace, hence you feel happy for a while while it's being re-up-took), and hell - noone knows what LSD, mushrooms and cactus do, but they tweek the dials in all sorts of different ways.

So - good luck with it. It's not something I'd wish on my worst enemy.
April 19, 2005 2:47 AM
 

Nic Wise said:

oops, I just reread that, and it sounded like "dude, good luck getting off them - you have no hope"

Not even remotly what I ment!! It's more a "good luck, my thoughts are with you" kinda thing :)

Righto.
April 19, 2005 2:48 AM
 

Greg said:

Great anology. Been there myself, pal. It gets better. Sleeping a little more works. Did I mention it gets better? :)

gh
April 19, 2005 4:09 AM
 

skicow said:

Hope everything works out Rory, I'm sure it will - you always seem to pull through....and hey, your analogy was brilliant! so it seem that the creative portion of your thinkmeat is still working :)
April 19, 2005 2:37 PM
 

Corey Henderson said:

"I find the brain utterly, utterly fascinating"

Well look who's telling you that.

(Old Emo Phillips joke)
April 19, 2005 3:19 PM
 

Anonymous said:

I was on zoloft for over a year. everything was going great. took me three months to come off them. that was ok, though. i was psyched to come off them. then one year later it eventually sunk in that i was getting totally depressed again. started taking them again. its been 6 weeks and i'm still not stabilized.

i thought, at the end of the year, when i was highly functional, that i was in better shape. i stopped taking the pills. i slipped back down again.

in other words, when you feel better, you never know if its you or the pills. knowing what i know now, I would have stayed on the damn things longer.

While your explanation of how ssri s work is textbook, its really just a story. it's a far deeper mystery than that.

try this:
"You brain is like the US economy. When there is a down turn, the government randomly encourages all workers of irish extraction to work an extra two hours a day. After 3 months stock prices are up and employment is down. This become standard policy for fixing the economy. Economists come up various explanations, but no one buys it, since after all, the only non-linear system that is more complex than the economy is the mamallian brain. "

I remember my doctor, a young resident, asking me if I understood how SSRIs work. I couldn'd decide whether to say "no, and neither do you" or to quote my friend, and say, <sarcastically> "the serotonin receptors are depressed?!". Anyway, she explained it to me. Well, at least I didn't have to suffer through psychotherapy.
April 20, 2005 4:14 AM
 

epmes said:

"Now that the year is almost up, I don’t need the stuff."

As long as you're prepared for the debilitating depression that may soon come, good for you. Ask a therapist--any therapist, even one who wouldn't call you an asshole to your face--and you'll find that most patients on SSRIs eventually want to stop taking them. Most go back.

You're right, though; you don't know until you try. Just make sure the people around you know there's a chance you might crash, and crash hard. It's hard to see outside the pits we dig, so hang onto those life-lines.
April 20, 2005 5:53 AM
 

John said:

In my teenage years, I had a problem with depression. On the recommendation of a psychologist, I started taking Zoloft. It was nice at first; my considerably dire spirits seemed lifted. I wasn’t as morose. Docile, even. But, as time dragged on, I realized that I *never* felt happy, not completely.

After about 4 months, I decided to stop taking Zoloft, and the withdrawals were pretty weird. I felt detached, and was having some *crazy* dreams. My emotions were all over the place, and often inappropriate for the situation.

After about a week and a half, I started feeling "normal" again. I still had days when I felt depressed, but the happy days also returned. Through this process, it dawned on me that my intense depression was something I actually reveled in, something I cultivated, something I needed as an excuse to not live up to my potential.

I had been diagnosed by a professional. I was "depressed". Therefore, my laziness and general apathy was not *my* fault, but some genetic problem handed down by my parents that I had to treat with medicine. Nevermind the fact that I was spending my days and nights smoking weed. That I had dropped out of high school, that I had neglected my intellectual side. These were all side effects of my "sickness", and I needed medication to get "better".

I was listening to a lot of Nirvana at the time (surprise!), and there was one line that really stuck:
"I miss the comfort in being sad."
That's how I felt on Zoloft. I was missing something that I needed to heal.

I think that depression is the psychological equivalent of a backache. It hurts because of something you (or someone else) did to it. It's going to feel that way for awhile, because it’s injured. Deal with it. Take some pills if the pain is unbearable.

However, get off of the pills as soon as you can. Why? If you're on them, and you repeat the process that led to your injuries, you may not get the feedback necessary to prevent it from happening again. Pain exists to call attention to injury, and healing always takes time. Just my $0.02.


April 20, 2005 6:11 AM
 

Steve said:

Rory,

Sorry to hear that your going through such 'interesting' times - my heart goes out to you.

John,

Great (and I think accurate) diagnosis of where depression frequently fits into our lives. Obviously this doesn't apply for all of us but for many I think it is appropos.

A while back I found myself quite depressed (brought on by the loss of both parents within 2 years) and getting more depressed with each passing day. Went to the doc and after listening for probably 15 minutes he prescribed Zoloft.

I did some research on my own and decided that no one understood how/why SSRIs worked. At least not well enough that my engineer brain was comfortable with them. Of course, I didn't have Rory's little story. :)

I decided to put that little bottle of pills on the shelf and see how things went. Now I'm very glad (happy even?) that I made that decision. Things still aren't great but they're certainly better than they were then... and "I'm feeling betta... I'm not dead yet".
April 20, 2005 12:43 PM
 

George said:

Rory, I'm sorry to hear about how you felt... I'm glad you are doing better with it now... withdrawel sucks ass but you'll get through it... I wanted to say you are now my hero and I am glad I have read your blog all this time... you always have a great laugh waiting for us... you kick ass and can't wait to see you get all better!
April 21, 2005 4:29 PM
 

Sal said:

Your not alone. I went off the zoloft about 3 weeks ago, decreased dosage, etc. Still having "strange days". I can definately relate to the other comments about the highs and lows. I decided to go off them because after all the Roller coaster is more fun then the merry-go-round!!!
April 22, 2005 10:11 PM
 

Sound Monkey said:

So, I assume you know 'how SSRIs work,' by blocking the re-uptake sites in your "serontinin neurons," thereby increasing the level of serotonin. What most people *don't* know, though, is that the reuptake inhibition kicks in VERY fast, and the levels of serotonin in your brain are very quickly brought up to higher levels, within hours of taking the medication. Why, then, does it usually take greater than a week for the depressive symptoms to lessen? Probably because this whole thing IS WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN WE THINK IT IS. Some people think that the devalueing of the serotonin receptors due to the sudden flood of serotonin is responsible for the lack of depression; i disagree with that, but i'll certainly say it's responsible for what you're experiencing right now. My suggestion? MAO inhibitors... just be sure to avoid the cheese and whatnot. Personally, given your 'history,' I reccomend AMT, aka Alpha-Methyl-Trytpamine, a simply substituted tryptamine that ties up your mono-amine-oxidase (MAO) and subsequently increases the level of serotonin in your brain. Of course, AMT is also a POTENT PSYCHEDELIC DRUG leading to 18+ hour "LSD-like" psychedelic states... so you miiight want to factor that in. (Or take a sub-psychedelic dose, as they did in russia in the 50s or 60s whenever AMT was used mostly as an antidepressant.) Also, it's illegal in the united states... you might want to go to Japan or China for it.
April 24, 2005 5:18 AM
 

Rachel said:

I have been on anti-d's for almost 2 1/2 years. Zoloft 50 mg, Zoloft 100 mg., Wellbutrin 300 mg., and now Lexapro 20 mg.

Why? I found my 5 year old son floating upside down in our backyard pond, it was too late. To make very long story short, I was accused and polygraphed and interrogated, which was all awful - but not as awful as losing my son and feeling responsible for not watching him closer. Anyway, grand jury eventually, about 1 1/2 years later, ruled it accidental. I have severe downtimes, I "come and go" as my husband calls it. After researching, I think I may have PTSD which is keeping me from progressing through my grief. I have started weaning off of the lexapro by taking 1/2 tab a day, I've noticed some dizziness in the mornings and that's about it so far. I am seeking someone to help me with the PTSD. Any comments, thoughts, or experiences will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Rachel-Eric's mama always
April 24, 2005 5:32 PM
 

Steve said:

Hi Rory,
Thanks for sharing your experience. I especially liked the part about SSRI's numbing your emotions. It's been 2 weeks for me. I was only on a 10mg dose, and only for 5 months. I started taking them 2 days after my wife and I separated. Well, For 5 the past 3 months I've had family and friends asking me what's wrong with me. Why haven’t I started the divorce, or chosen to go on with my life? And, why don't you have any anger for what she’s doing to your marriage? Well, I believe it's because the Lexapro has been inhibiting my emotions, and therefore keeping me from doing what I need to do. Don't get me wrong peeps, clinical depression is one thing, and I'm sure that there are peeps with chemical imbalances that need to be on an SSRI. But, we are also dealing with a multi-BILLION dollar industry here. Anyway, just for me, I'm starting to believe that I was depressed because of the marriage, and the way to end that depression is to end the marriage, not suppress my emotions with an SSRI. Just my 2, thanks again.
May 1, 2005 1:13 PM
 

kthreekids said:

I am on day 5 of my "wean". I have been on Lexapro for a year due to ptsd. I am a bit bitchy and irritable but have read this is a side effect. I also feel muscle tension.
How are you doing?
Did your Dr. feel you should go off as well?
K
May 8, 2005 8:20 PM
 

Rory said:

kthreekids -

"I am on day 5 of my 'wean'. I have been on Lexapro for a year due to ptsd. I am a bit bitchy and irritable but have read this is a side effect. I also feel muscle tension.
How are you doing?"

I'm doing all right. Lots of ups, and lots of downs, but things are starting to stabalize. I've been without the drug for a little over two weeks now. I was expecting a more short-lived withdrawal period, but it still continues.

On the bright side, on the few occasions I'm feeling somewhat normal, I feel much more like my old, pre-depressed self. My mind is sharp, I don't feel like I'm living in a fog, and I'm having a good time.

Hoping, then, that the withdrawal doesn't last much longer, or at least decreases in intensity soon.

"Did your Dr. feel you should go off as well?"

I didn't consult my doctor. I had done my nine months - I was feeling good - and I have a regular counseling appointment, so it seemed like the right time to go off. And, aside from the negative withdrawal effects, I think this *was* the right time.

Overall, then, feeling pretty good :)
May 12, 2005 11:14 PM
 

Beeswaxy said:

It's good to hear you are feeling better. And thank you for pointing out that coming off the drugs is the price we pay for the support they give.

I had my own private hell a couple of years ago battling to get off Seroxat. I hope to god I never have to go back on it because it was the worst time of my life, but I just knew I couldn't take them any more. It was a different feeling from the one I would generally get a month into the treatment, when I would confidently declare myself cured and stop taking them, before heading down into a very dark place.

I hated 'the fog' too. For me, depression sharpens my emotions and my creativity and makes the world so much more real, vivid and 3 dimensional. While the emotional stability of SSRIs was a blessed relief, I felt like I was surrounded and filled up with cotton-wool. I missed being able to think freely and being able to write and express myself.

What I missed most of all was what I relish now, the cycles of my emotions. The little things that make my heart soar, the feeling of coming up after a miserable patch... happy pills result in an emotional flatline. You feel the same the whole time and the little pleasures in life become the same as life's little chores.

I hope we all go '..forward into broad sunlit uplands' to misquote Churchill.
May 13, 2005 4:41 PM
 

CC said:

I've been taking Lexapro for about 2and a half years. I was very depressed because my father died. I began to feel like I was having a heart attack and was extremely anxious. Anyway the Lexapro helped, but I have gained about 20 lbs and had a miserable time trying to stop the weight gain. My doctor gave me the okay to quit taking Lexapro. My phamacist said to take 1/2 the dosage for about a month and then 1/4 the dosage. I had small reactions each time I lessened the dosage. I now have been free for a week. I will be watching to make sure that my anxiety does not return.
June 13, 2005 4:50 PM
 

Julia said:

I'm really glad that I came across this site. I have been on Lexapro for 15 months and I am desperate to come off of the meds. I started at 10mg and then increased to 20mg, and thinking back to my doctor appointments I blindly followed what she told me to take because I felt there was no other option. I now regret not researching the drug more carefully before taking it. Any advice for starting the weening? Thanks!
July 21, 2005 12:43 AM
 

jj said:

thanks. this helped alot. xo
July 28, 2005 5:17 PM
 

Bruce Sneddon said:

I am well into my weaning period. I was up to 20mg Lexapro/day and started to gain weight bigtime. My eating and exercise habits have not changed but my weight is up 20 lbs with no signs of it slowing down. Frankly, the drug worked well for me for 4 months. I felt better and was more productive but I was tired a lot more. Immediately prior to my weaning, I figured I felt pretty much the same as I did before lexapro so why the F am I still taking it? I started breaking my 20 mg pills in half and taking them once a day for a month. Then 2 weeks of every other day with half a pill. Last Friday I stopped. It is Tuesday now. I feel like I am having an out of body experience a lot. It is uncomfortable but not unbearable. I am sensitive to my kids when they scream and whine. I have a very low threshold for irritation right now but I know it is the withdrawal. I will take one of my wife's clonazepam's if I feel anxious. My anxiety isn't too bad but it was never really the problem, anyway. I am tempted to take a half a pill today to relieve some of the loopiness I feel but it just prolongs the bullshit. I want to get off this junk and work hard to get back to my pre-drug weight and feel physically good again. SSRI's work for some people but for me, the cure was worse than the disease.
August 16, 2005 7:37 PM
 

Linda said:

Thanks, Rory. I needed this information. I had an "inkling" that there was a problem from the last 8 months of blur. I'm starting my own cautious withdrawal today... I really do miss my memory.
Thanks to everyone for your insight and experiences.
September 7, 2005 1:50 PM
 

Anonymous said:

the Rodawgg,

thanks so much for posting. I just quit zoloft cold turkey (not totally my choice, my doc who had been filling my prescription from another state gave me no warning and just stopped filling my prescription). I have actually felt fine, even great, emotionally. However, I have been nauseas and dizzy and seeing strange shit and thought I was going crazy until I just googled it and found out that you can go through withdrawal from SSRIs. Thanks for the info! Best of luck.
September 15, 2005 11:51 PM
 

Anonymous said:

Hi there.... I was diagnosed with ptsd, depression and anxiety about 10 years ago. Anxiety and nightmares being the worse problem (had just retired from being a police officer; cumlative stress ptsd) I took prozac for about a week and couldn't take the severe anxiety producing side effects. I took zoloft off and on for a few years (lowest dose)and didn't have side effects when not taking it, but sexual side effects (lack of desire) and fatigue while taking even a low dose.
About 3 years ago, my dr prescribed lexapro (10 mg / day). The nightmares never stopped and I didn't like my true emotions being so suppressed. Also experienced severe fatigue during the day and increasing nausea.

So, the reason for my post is to share the painful effects of lexapro withdrawal. I began lessening the dose while on vacation- a three-month planned low stress vacation at the beach at the beginning of this summer. Over about two months, I slowly increased the days between dosages. Should have probably taken less mg, by cutting the tablet, but it didn't occur to me since it was a low dose to begin with (and apparently, serious withdrawal symptoms happen either way). Even after 2 months, I couldn't get past 4 days, without screaming pain... body "shocks", migraine type "shocks", severe motion sickness from just moving my eyes, additional nausea, etc. All this time, I was under little stress, mostly taking beach walks, yoga, reading, etc

After reading all the withdrawal symptoms others were having, I realized it was going to hurt, whatever method of tapering. So, five weeks ago, to the day, I quit lexapro. After 4 days, the physical withdrawals kicked in. The first three weeks were miserable. Took supplements, hoping to ease some of the pain. Finally, the fourth week, the electric shocks started to weaken, the nausea was gone (which is great since it was a problem while taking the meds), and my nightmares became less extreme, more coherent and lucid, and are occurring with less frequency (actually the nightmares started to improve after less than a week- nightmares I hadn't been able to control for 10 years, so I definitely think the lexapro was making my nightmares much, much worse). During this fifth week, I thought the shocks were gone for a couple days, but they returned, but in a very mild form. The main problem I'm now having, is insomnia. I have been a little more tearful and hope this isn't a sign of depression returning. I'm actually enjoying the added emotion, just hope the anxiety doesn't kick in. So withdrawal is possible, but a good four weeks before the symptoms are tolerable. I will NEVER take lexapro again. If I do get anxiety and/or depression again, I will need another method, even if a homeopathic method isn't quit as effective. If anyone has any good suggestions, please share. Tx
October 6, 2005 3:48 AM
 

terri said:

Rory- your story was really interesting and entertaining....I love the "Trainspotting" referance and feel like I can totally relate...

i've been taking lexipro for almost 3 years, and it really helped with my depression and anxiety. I'm not sure if the depression was a result of a natural chemical embalance, or from a years worth of partying & taking the drug 'ecstasy' every weekend.

Either way Lexipro really helped me, however I worry that I'll have to take it for the rest of my life. I've tried therapy with a psychologist and always feel there isn't really much I want/need to talk about so I'm guessing that its not 'event' related depression just 'chemical'.

*I recently had to stop taking it for a few days while I wait for my prescription to be filled (i have to mail order it from Express Scripts) I'm on day 3 and feel terrible!! Dizzy, fatigue, nausous, achy muscles, moody, and really really really anxous. The worst part are these 'brain zap' feelings i get. Do you have any advice on how I can deal with these withdrawl symptoms until my prescription arrives???

Thanks!
Terri NYC
October 15, 2005 12:41 AM
 

Drew said:

Good thread...
I decided about two months ago that, after about 2 years on Lexapro, I was going to get myself prescription-free. So, I started weaning myself off, and am now down to 2.5mg every third day. Its amazing how long it has taken to ramp this drug down. I have been on narcotic painkillers for relatively long periods of time in the past, and had a MUCH easier withdrawal period. Its not so much painful, per se, as it is annoying and disrupting. Every time I turn my head too fast, or move my eyes from side to side, I get that strange "electric chill" through my head.
Anyway, I thought I'd weigh in, if for no other reason than to let everyone here know there's one more out there. Its difficult, but I believe the end result, no longer relying on this particular chemical, is worth it.
Hang in there...
Drew
Chicago, IL
October 16, 2005 4:45 AM
 

Rory said:

Terri -

"Do you have any advice on how I can deal with these withdrawl symptoms until my prescription arrives???"

When I was going through Lexapro withdrawal, I was taking Bonine once every 24 hours (the same medicine is also available as a special "24 hour" Dramamine).

It's a powerful antihistamine that will pretty much knock you the hell out. You can still go about your daily business, but you'll be immersed in the fog of this drug.

That might not sound pleasant, but it prevents (or at least it did for me) the anxiety attacks. It also makes you so tired that you don't even *care* about how weird the world looks.

That's one option.

Another way is to get a benzo (Valium/Ativan/Xanax) and take it regularly (every few hours). It'll help with the anxiety attacks, and although you'll still feel weird from the withdrawal, you won't care.

That's the other option.

Don't try to combine the two :)

The Bonine option is easiest, though, because you can just go out to the store and buy it. The benzo will require a script from your doctor.

Hope this helps.
October 16, 2005 5:18 AM
 

Violet said:

Blessings to each and every one of you. I am SO GRATEFUL to have happened upon this thread. I stopped the Lex and felt great -for a while- then got a 'pneumonia-like' bug coupled with tremendous back spasms that's persisted for 7 weeks. Lex? Who knows. Then, I was put on prednisone.. I was psychotic!!! Now, I just cry over everything (which I hadn't done in the years on the Lex) You'll all be in my prayers. It's a bitch this w/drawal.
October 27, 2005 10:42 PM
 

Violet said:

Me again.. has anyone had any luck with the 'natural' anti-deps... or anything that won't make you feel like you're having an out of body experience. The Zanax quells the freakies, but also puts me to sleep.. also, it's another drug that has bad withdrawal side effects. Thanks.
October 28, 2005 2:34 AM
 

Susan said:

Thought I had a psychotic flu, but it turns out I just forgot to take my Lex20 for 2 days. Took one about 2 hours ago, and the creepy-crawly skin, muscle twitch, and other hellish sypmtoms are thinking about subsiding. Would love to stop taking this stuff, but now I'm scared.
November 2, 2005 6:46 PM
 

Lara said:

Thanks for this site. I have just gotten out of the hospital after ten days of never-ending tests on my brain, spine and lungs. As if that wasn't enough, they put me on steroids to keep me from having an allergic reaction to the contrast dye. I went into the hospital because I was having what you all describe as brain zaps, headaches, having difficulty with muscle coordination and numbness, and losing strength in my legs. I also was experiencing sweating, tightness in my chest, difficulty breathing, and a fast heartbeat. Now that I think about it, the latter are symptoms of anxiety.

Anyway, the rub is, I had been on Lexapro for two years almost, taking 40 mg a day at first, then 20 mg. My prescription had finally run out recently, and because I hadn't seen the psychiatrist in a while and didn't want to fool with going back, I asked my family doctor to switch me to Celexa, which I'd been on prior to the Lexapro. So I'm finally out of Lexapro, and decide against even taking the Celexa, because my depression seems to have gotten much better. About 10 days later, all the symptoms hit me-hard. The brain zaps were just coming bam-bam-bam to where I felt as if I were a marionette being jerked on a string each time I moved. My legs were getting weaker; I was getting fatigue, dizzy spells, and having headaches. THEN I started having what I thought were cardiovascular symptoms. Who knows? All I can say is that this has been hell. The hospital never did make a clear diagnosis, and I ended up on steroids, which made it worse, and I am finally off those, too.
My question is: what kind of naturally detoxifying vitamins or herbs or treatments can I get to get rid of these symptoms? Does anyone know how long this will go on? I am ready to get back to my life without SSRIs of any kind. I highly advise anyone else out there to be careful going off them, and don't start them if you can at all avoid it.
November 18, 2005 5:30 PM
 

Rory said:

Lara -

"what kind of naturally detoxifying vitamins or herbs or treatments can I get to get rid of these symptoms? Does anyone know how long this will go on?"

The best way to get off this stuff is to taper off of the meds. Quitting cold turkey is the easiest way to wind up with severe withdrawal symptoms. Even people who taper off can experience very uncomfortable symptoms, so that's something to consider.

When tapering, you have some options. I found that taking something like Valium or Ativan to be very helpful - they can counter the vertigo and will keep you calm (anxiety seems to be a common thing to experience while quitting an SSRI).

If you don't want to go that route, then taking an antihistamine can help, too (like Benadryl). Some antihistamines (like meclizine) have anti-nausea effects, and they'll often make you tired enough that the anxiety, although present, is a non-issue.

I wouldn't recommend herbs or natural suppliments. They're marketed as the kinder, gentler alternative to RX, but the reality is that it's *just* marketing. Because they aren't regulated as midications, you're relying on a company's marketing department to determine the appropriate dosage for you - that's scary. You also have to consider that these companies can (and will) *legally* sell you what is effectively dried compost from warehouses in SE Asia. It's been pretty well established that there isn't any good way to determine purity or efficacy of what these companies are pushing. In some cases, the substances can even be dangerous. Kava kava, for example, thought for years to be perfectly safe, has been banned in some areas of Europe because of its ability to destroy your liver. St. John's Wort, although seemingly effective, appears to work by a similar mechanism as regular RX SSRIs - this is dangerous because nobody knows what the proper dosing is for the med, nor does anybody have a product with consistent dosage or purity information. You might as well buy drugs off the street.

Valium and Ativan are great for short term use, and will alleviate some of your symptoms safely. They've been in use for decades, have few side effects, and are very well tolerated. One of them would be a good bet for you.

Again, if those aren't available, you might consider taking either Benadryl every few hours, or taking Bonine/Long-Term Dramamine (both meclizine) once every 24 hours.

No matter what you choose, though, you'll probably find the experience to be less than pleasant. The best you can do is try to ease some of the discomfort.
November 18, 2005 6:38 PM
 

David in Cailfornia said:

Thanks for this great blog site. I have been off Lezapro for 3 weeks now, and couldn't understand these wierd shocks I was having. I thought I was having cardiac problems, now understand this is withdrawal pains. When I had wiened off of other SSRI's, I didn't have this prob. THe doctor didn't mention this at all. And as for sexual side effects, this drug can be a relationship killer. Good luck to all. Anyone, when will this electric shock feeling end??
November 24, 2005 6:00 PM
 

Heidi said:

Thanks to all for sharing their experiences, now I have something to tell my boyfriend when he asks what's wrong with me! (He doesn't get it because he's nauseatingly positive and doesn't really even need sleep)I have been off of Lexapro for a week now and while I was fine for the first 5 days or so, I am now exhausted (it feels like its coming from behind my eyes.) I haven't had any brain zaps, but I was only on Lexapro 10mg for a month so hopefully this won't be too harsh. It can't be any worse then feeling like a numb, tired, bloated piece of crap which is how I felt on the pills. Does anyone have any experience with a completed withdrawal? I'm curious if its possible to actually quit Lexapro and get a good result.
November 26, 2005 5:52 AM
 

Debbie said:

I'm so grateful I found your site! My neurologist and I agreed to stop the Doxepin 10mg after ayear and ahalf of use (I've been on SSRI's for
over 10 years!!). I specifically asked if I needed to taper and go off the doxepin gradually. He said it was not necessary since I was only taking 10mg. On day 5 of having stopped the Doxepin I became violently ill, and have remained in this constant state of SICKNESS. To-night marks day 8. I am nauseous and
vomiting. I have almost constant body
sweats and freezing clammy hands. I have had violent headaches. I'm crying at the drop of a hat, I'm having horrible nightmares, I feel
exhausted and dead to the world. I can't stand this!! I'm taking compasine per Doctor's suggestion but
I'm furious and feel like I'll never
feel well again!! This better pass soon; I've already missed 3 days of
work and don't expect a miracle over
night. Thanks for letting me vent!!
December 1, 2005 1:54 AM
 

DexterMeth said:

LOL, dont eat AMT for depression..i used to gobble this stuff up all the time in 2002...it leaves you so cracked out when the trip is winding down/over...interesting none the less.

GREAT blog and comments BTW.
December 1, 2005 6:28 AM
 

DexterMeth said:

Here's a tip...when stopping SSRI's, get yourself some good tranquilizers. :)
December 1, 2005 6:32 AM
 

Imnotcrzy said:

It is a blessing (of sorts) to find this site. (If I weren't experiencing "side effects" I never would have needed to find it!) I was looking for potential side effects to Lexapro. I am currently coming off of Effexor XR(which doesn't really last all day). Every site I have checked seems to list Effexor as possibly the worst medication to get off of. I medication free for two weeks. The depression is back!!! I worry about taking the Lexapro and having withdrawal symptons as bad as the current ones. I keep having what I labelled as brain fuzzies. It feels like walking in a waking dream or when you ride a fantastic roller coaster and things feel scrambled right after you get off. The other withdrawal symptons have finally withdrawn;)
Can anyone tell me if the withdrawal for Lexapro is as bad, or worse than Effexor? Sorry for any incoherency, that is a constant for me right now.
December 7, 2005 5:11 AM
 

Rory said:

Imnotcrzy -

"Can anyone tell me if the withdrawal for Lexapro is as bad, or worse than Effexor? Sorry for any incoherency, that is a constant for me right now."

Based on what I've learned (my shrink suggested effexor, so I researched it), nothing is worse than effexor for withdrawal. It's known as a drug that has such bad withdrawal that people often switch doctors when they're through.

I've spoken with people who've had milder withdrawal on it, but the potential seems to be there for it to be awful.

Lexapro *probably* is going to be easier for withdrawal. Just make sure that you *never* (EVER!) quit taking these things cold turkey. Taper off, and consider taking some benzos while you're making the transition - a little Ativan here and there can make the process much easier.

And remember that many other people have gone through what you're going through and made it - it's hard, to be sure, but "hard" is very different from "impossible."

I'm sure that many of the people who have commented here know what it's like to be so deeply in depression that you don't want to get out of bed (and some, like me, have seriously considered suicide), but it *does* get better. It might not seem like it now, but it does.

So, yeah. See your doc - consider Lexapro, but remember that any SSRI is going to have the potential for withdrawal effects. It's just a matter of how you react to each drug and how severe the symptoms are.

If you have any more questions, or if you just want to talk, then please feel free to comment :)
December 7, 2005 5:24 AM
 

Anonymous said:

Thanks for all of the information. I have also struggled with depression, and am unsure if this is my second episode of depression within the past few years, or if this is a relapse of the first episode. At any rate, we all just want to feel better. I personally still struggle to feel vindicated, that there has to be a physical aspect involved, and that it is not just "in my head" and I do not "choose" to feel this way. I was on lexapro 10 mg before, and I have an appointment to hopefully restart this week. This was a very interesting article I ran acrossed during my research: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Demystifying_Depression. It offers alternative information from someone who sufferred depression, and throws out some controversial ideas (which seem to make sense to me). Rory- you might find entertaining the area that suggests that mentally involved tasks such as reading, writing, and blogging can cause or worsen depression over an extended period of time... makes sense the way the author explains it in the article. Enjoy. And thanks again for all the input. God Bless.
December 28, 2005 3:54 AM
 

darlo said:

Thanks for this site Rory. Spent the Christmas season detoxing from lexapro. It has been terrible! Body shocks-anxiety-pain-you name it. I don't think I have ever been so miserable! I am FURIOUS that I was told this drug was mild and had little side effects. If not for this thread I would have totally lost it. Not to mention my ass has an extra 20 lbs. on it and had to buy new clothes for the holiday season. I actually gained 20 lbs. in 2 months!!!I was told I definately would not gain weight. If I had any idea I would never had taken this. I refuse to go back on for relief-just sticking it out.Everyone of you are in my prayers. We will conquer!!!!!!!!
January 1, 2006 2:19 AM
 

rachael said:

Wowm, it was great to find this. Interestingly enough, I was prescribed Lexapro because I'm mildly obsessive-compulsive. It had no positive effects on me whatsoever. I didn't get any side effects whatsoever, so my doctor bumped my dosage up to 20mg. Still didn't help. Now, a year later, I had to get my wisdom teeth removed. Because I was going to be sedated, I had to stop my Lexapro and a few vitamins for two days prior to surgery. I didn't notice the effects too much because I was caught up in the holidays - I had surgery the day after Christmas. I had a *lot* of extra pain after my surgery, and the Vicodin they had prescribed me wasn't helping. Two days after I had dry socket pain (not typical until 3-5 days after), and they gave me special packings and some Percoset. The next day, I started feeling funny. I was more fatigued than usual, I was dizzy, I had tunnel vision, I was very nauseous, and I had diahrrea, which was strange given that hydrocodone and oxycodone usually cause constipation. The next day my body started tingling and I was getting very short of breath. I stopped taking the Percoset because I figured that had something to do with it. Next day, I still felt so sick. Then my mother realized that I hadn't taken the Lexapro since a week previous - I had decided to stop cold turkey since I couldn't take it before my surgery anyways. I figured that since it had no side effects or any effects at all on me I would be fine, as my doctor hadn't told me about any withdrawal effects. My mom looked up Lexapro withdrawal on the internet and realized what the problem was. I took 10mg (half my usual dose) the next morning and my 4 in the afternoon I felt normal again. All my symptoms are gone, and since we've done this research I realize that I need to taper off and be prepared for this to happen again. I really appreciate postings like this because otherwise I would be in the dark and wondering what the hell was wrong with me. So, thank you very much!
January 2, 2006 1:31 AM
 

Jamie said:

So I've been taking Lexapro for about three years to alleviate anxiety. I have had little anxiety, accompanied by little emotion about anything else. I don't think I'v actually cried in a couple of year, even when my grandma died. I really don't need the crap, so several times I've tried to wean myself from it, each attempt ending because my husband can't stand the rage I'm directing at him. He doesn't understand the brain shocks surging through me or the blinding intensity of anger that I feel when he look at me funny. Why is there no warning anywhere about this??? I can't believe that a doctor would submit myself or any other patient to this withdrawl so nonchalantly! I have been tapering off of this crap for about three months and it is so intense that I might throw something through my picture window. I've been doing pretty well, right up until I actually got down to takin NO lexapro (as opposed to 5mg every three days or so). I'm a nursing student, which requires an immense amount of discipline and concentration to simply get through, and I can't focus on ANYTHING! I hate this shit!

Thanks for letting me vent. Pray that this eases for us all. People need to udnerstand what they are getting into before nonchalantly deciding that SSRI's are going to solve their problems.
January 9, 2006 2:38 PM
 

Rob said:

OMG... I have just started reading all of the sites out here on the web about withdrawal from Lexapro. I have been on the drug about 10 months and just like you, no longer need it. However, coming off it is another story. My main problem is severe vertigo. Fortunately, I have not had any nausea or the sweats like some other people have reported. I have gone from the 20mg down to a current 2.5mg. Splitting tablets is a pain in the ass, but if my body misses the does, I feel like I cannot function. My temper has also gotten a lot edgier. I almost slapped someone at the office the other day. In any case, if anyone is about to start this medication, I strongly suggest discussing a withdrawal plan with your doctor. This stuff is powerful and does some interestng things to your brain.
January 23, 2006 12:15 AM
 

Biomajor said:

Hi Everyone! I am so excited to find this site! So here goes: I have been on Lexapro 20mg for about 2 1/2 years. Long story, but duh!, without researching, I decided to taper off and end it. I just got sick of the whole "dependent on drugs" feeling. It's been 5 days and I am in my own personal Hell. I'm having constant "zaps" and dizziness, can't concentrate, getting headaches. It's horible. I don't really have a support system, and I don't know what to do. Can anyone help?! How long will this go on!?
January 27, 2006 12:36 AM
 

monica said:

Im trying to withdraw from lexapro at the moment and am going thru hell. literally. i have dry mouth, nausea, nervousness( severe), shakiness, heart palpitations, you name it i have it and it sucks. i finally took a pill to make it go away after two weeks of trying to stop and feeling progressively worse day by day, by far worse than my previous paxil withdwal experience.
January 30, 2006 5:11 AM
 

Anonymous said:

March 2, 2006 3:26 AM
 

adam said:

Has anyone realy quit this hellish drug lexapro, the people who make it should be shot!
March 8, 2006 3:41 AM
 

Dugan said:

Like everyone else, I must say I am happy that I discovered this site. I have been on lex for a little over 3.5 yrs, & decided that I wanted to actually *feel* my true emotions again. I was taking 20mg for a while, and slowly moved myself (without the help of my idiott Dr. who has let me stay on this crap for 3.5 yrs, when I really prob. only needed to be for 6 mos.) to 15mg, 10mg, and then to 5mg - probably over a years time frame. I stopped taking it completely 9 days ago.
The first 1-2 days were fine - but then the stupid electrical zaps to my frickin head started. They last about 5-10 seconds - (it helps to close your eyes when it's happenening.) Next I have suddenly come down with the flu, but it's pretty much ongoing. Personally, I don't think it is going to end. I am very tired, almost sleep walking at work. Next I will probably be fired. I often have bursts of happiness & laughter, and sometimes crying spells. I forgot about what it was like to really feel emotions! It's actually a great feeling to be able to truly cry again, weird huh? The one good thing that I have noticed is, I have not smoked cig's pretty much at all since I have stopped (use to smoke 5-6 per day) and even lost about 3 lbs. I think I have kept 10-15 extra lbs. on from the lex - hopefully they will all just drop off like the first 3.
I will say this - I am not completely against the idea of anit-d's, but only for a short, short time in one's life. Get through the really tough times, and then get off the meds.
March 13, 2006 3:51 AM
 

Anonymous said:

EXERCISE HELPS!!!

Go work out for 20-30 minutes per day & you will feel much better.
I've been told yoga works wonders too, just haven't found any classes in my area. Has anyone else had success with exercising?
March 13, 2006 3:54 AM
 

Shocks and Zaps said:

Wow, I thought I was the only one who felt these weird pains in my brain when my dose of lexapro was low because I procrastinated to renew my prescription or just stopped taking for a while. I had no Idea there was a withdrawel like this for a prescribed antidepressent.

TO any one not taking this medicine and are thinking of taking it, it really hurts to come off this medicine.

My brain stem feels like it is shrinking and can't hold the rest of the brain and just wobbles around. When I turn, my brain just trails and my balance is almost lost. When I hear a loud noise, my brain stem seems to pulsate (zap).

Even my highschool pill addiction was not this hard to come off.

I have to say that I love the feeling of the increased serotonin levels, because I feel like my head is stable and less prone to anger. But I don't really feel any happier or less stressed.

hope this helps someone else too.....
March 14, 2006 4:33 AM
 

Psych Nurse Mom of (4) twenty-somthing kids said:

Three years ago, I was prescribed Effexor XR for depression and anxiety at age 43. The effexor worked great for about a year and a half, at which time I noticed its efficacy decreased. I weaned myself off of the effexor, which was a mistake as well as a major feat because the withdrawl symptoms include severe dizziness with head turning. The psychiatrist then prescribed Lexapro. She was very enthusiastic about it, stating that she had seen excellent results with patients she had prescribed it for thus far. Ten mg, twenty mg , thirty mg--she kept bumping it up because I felt no improvement with depression and anxiety. At forty mg, a realitvely high dose, I felt postive and motivated with little anxiety. I noticed frequent and uncomfortable periods of heavy sweating, which first I attributed to premenopausal symptoms. I gained 35 pounds for the first time in my life, with little change in diet--also, I believed at the time, to be the hormonal swings of premenopause. I felt that after six to eight months Lexapro began to weaken in its effectiveness against my anxiety--or the feelings of dread I experienced with returning phone calls, emails, going to work etc. This last month , as with the last several months ---the
" bad" week of "PMS" symptoms I routinely experienced now left me depressed to the point of sleeping in bed for a week.The remaining weeks of the month I was functional but feeling no better than if I had not been taking Lexapro at all. I also experienced headaches and increased blood pressure--probably the headaches being the warning sign of the high blood pressure. Previously, my blood pressure was always low. Ironically, I am a psychiatric and ER nurse of twenty years, and I notice the trend appears to be that the doctors will heavily prescribe the "newest" pharmacudical discovery in the hopes that it is an advance over the available current medications. This was the case with Prozac, which , by the way, I never see prescribed now at the facility where I work. Lexapro, according to most of the patients with chronic depression that I counsel, appears to do little if anything to alleviate their sypmtoms. For the mildly depressed or newly depressed, the Lexapro appears to be more successful, and has less sexual side effects. This is only what my patients have told me and what I have experienced personally, so take it for what its worth. . I revisted my doctor and requested to be placed back on the effexor. My professional advice to any one who does well on a medication for at least a year and then , despite doseage changes, notices a return of symptoms---talk to your doctor. Often , one may grow to tolerate a certain medication and need a respite for a period of time from it. If it worked well for you in the past , you may be able to return to it after your body loses its tolerance. If you experience continued depression or anxiety despite medication, don't hesitate to call your psychiatrist and tell him/ her. Your subjective feedback is THE most important in factor in how they treat you. They are not annoyed by this. DO be persistant until you are satisfied that you are on the right medication for you-- there are so many available --there is help but most people get discouraged too soon . In fact, they docs gauge how mentally healthy a person is by their willingness to participate in their own treatment and their incitefullness at being able to discern and report their symptoms. Don't wean yourself off any medication without the doctors assistance--although I did it once--- I know it was very reckless and will not try it again. Yes, antidepressants are overprescribed--- and even if you have a bout of depression it may be a non re-occurring acute episode. Unfortunatly, one has the tendency to feel pretty good when they take themselves off medication because it remains in your system for a period of time. If you have chronic depression, it will insidiously creep back--and you may not be in tune with it until you are crying or feeling hopeless , helpless and even suicidal.(So it helps to have a friend or family member you can trust who knows they can approach you if they see a problem--often others recognize relapse before we are willing to admit it to ourselves.) Some medications, if stopped too abruptly can cause more problems than you will be prepared to deal with. Do not regulate your own medications--do not assume if you are having a bad day that an extra pill will provide extra relief. Also, enough cannot be said about proper diet and excercise. Avoid excessive refined sugars, processed foods with chemicals, alchohol, caffiene --and take a multi vit stress tab does really help. Simple excercise such as walking will increase all the feel good hormones --although when severely depressed even walking for excercise can appear to be overwhelming. Finally, if your family doctor feels that you are depressed, please request or seek a referal to a psychiatrist. (not psychologist, not family doctor.) Even though there are some excellent family practioners , their experience in psychiatry is limited to the rotation that they did as residents. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen family doctors make misdiagnosis and/ or poor choices in prescribing psychiatric medication. The family doctor can and should rule out any physical cause of depression by a thorough exam and blood work. Low thyroid levels are one example of what can be amiss, causing depression like symptoms. The psychiatrist is the specialist and it is your brain, so make sure you get the expert--that is why he is there in the first place. Don't get hung up on the sterotypes--if you have depression and anxiety it dosen't mean you are crazy or a freak of nature.Taking a pill can be a pain but it is far less of a pain than struggling with overwhelmingly debilitating negative emotions. Depressive symptoms can manifest themselves in many ways, and may be quite different in men--for example....irritablity , short fuse, even violent behavior. Depression often is genetic, and if your family history is peppered with the alcoholic and/or drug addict uncle , aunt or grandfather, it may just be that this person was self medicating with an undiagnosed case of depression. Speaking of trainspotting, the patients I work with now are dual diagnosis, that is, those who have a diagnosis of depression coupled with an addiction--quite common. I have to stand on the soapbox for this last comment which I am emphasising with all my heart and soul--do not take street drugs--very very poor success rate with recovery of heroin and meth--evil incarnate. Two words: passive suicide. Good luck to everyone, God Bless you and me don't ever pity yourself stay fightin!
March 25, 2006 8:13 PM
 

Chad said:

Links between alcohol and the drug Lexapro usage: I've experienced blackouts while taking Lexapro and drinking alcohol. This is not medical advice, just my recent experience. Check with your physician for all the answers pertaining to your medical case. FDA approved labeling states that Lexapro may impair your judgment, thinking, or motor skills; frequent side effects include amnesia and confusion, as well as otherside effects.

Prozac seems longer lasting to me but dangerous; Lexapro a little less so it seems; alcohol and both drugs will compete in your bodies metabolism within the liver. It is known that use of more than one drug, for example, alcohol and a benzodiazepine, or other inhibitor-type drugs, can result in the alcohol metabolism being delayed, with the result that more alcohol is circulating in the body for a longer period of time than would be the case if alcohol alone were in the system.

So, logically, combining alcohol with drugs like the newer Lexapro or Prozac may worsen the effects listed in the first sentence above. There is reported information that combining alcohol and these drugs, perhaps in higher amounts than prescribed, may cause blackouts and other problems, such as impairing decision making functions to. However, most of the information I have seen and read suggests that for most people (remember people can have markedly different sensitivities to drug effects), drinking while on these depression drugs has and can pose many health problems.

Be very careful in taking this drug and drinking any type of alchohol. It can be very dangerous. In my case, the drug has caused me to be more irritated easier, and to say and do things that I am sure are not within my nature. Including alienating and saying harsh things to my direct family during a period recently that I blacked out during and have no recollection of ever happening. It also appears that hard, sharp and loud sounds cause many problems as well since I've been on this drug for three weeks now. Also, a prickling sensation appears to happen at different points on my body at any given time throughout the day without reason. Short-term memory seems to be less effective, as well as period of diorientation due to momentary amnesia.
March 28, 2006 3:52 PM
 

E.B. said:

Hi Rory and all,

Rory, you are funny. and made me laugh. I hope you are well on your way with this. &/Or that you have made peace for yourself. Thank you, You have helped me.
. I was so thankful to have found this website. I had never heard from other people regarding withdrawing off this medication. I had only spoken to doctors... who sold me that it's no big deal. And "why go off it?"
I have been researching it online and this here is the best site i have found. hands down.
(I actually found one page under tips for Lexapro withdrawal, that suggested taking Prozac as an antidote. Duh. I wonder who hosts THAT ad I mean page.?) But I have this feeling, the internet is actually one of the most effective tools we can use to get through this.
OK..... I have a bunch to say...... sorry if i ramble!!!
Briefly, I was prescribed my first antidepressant 12 years ago at the age of 18 after meeting with a psychiatrist I never met before for a total of (literally) 15 minutes. I took it for a few months, enjoying the loopy feeling I'd get every night upon taking it.. and then after a few months realized, I no longer cried.... like at all, ever. and it creeped me out. I told the Dr. I was discontinuing it and he yelled at me on my answering machine telling me it was "a mistake" and that i "needed" them. I didn't listen.
3 years went by..... and i was actually doing ok for a good chunk of time. And then i fell head over heels. I mean head. over. heels. in love with someone. We actually ended up seeing eachother for 5 years and considererd eachother soul mates. However, it was a rocky relationship. And I was new to heartache (which is part of life! which is why i have mentioned it because i am sure it is one of the main causes people go on this stuff) .... and it hurt "too" bad... and I was still in a naive stage of "the pain is neverending. MAKE IT STOP NOW!" (But perhaps more importantly, I had another horrific event happen durring that time (a surgery) AND a childhood trauma still undealt with. so I was definitely a candidate for the meds (woohoo!).
But I wish i hadn't had the option in the first place. I actually wish i had taken up something more recreational, inspiring and constructive. like underwater basket weaving. yeah!
In the following years, I have been on 12 or more different psych meds and different combinations. I have gone off them twice. Once for about 3 months... and i took about 3 months to wean off them beforehand. I don't remember what drug it was but withdrawal symptoms although bad (with dizziness & such) were not as bad as this. I actually remember feeling good a lot... like a haze was lifting off in each level of lowered dose. I could feel it lift in a vividly marked way and feel, on a highly real level, just where the parameters of the drug around my reality had been. (But eventually I relapsed into a bad depression and went back on them).
And inversly, in introducing each new drug , I could always feel ,on the first few days, feel it's flavor seep in, coloring my life. I could feel it's brand of color/shape/feel/smell/taste on perception. Kind of like like MSG. :D
I have been weaning off Lexapro for about 3 months now. And it feels nothing like the other meds i detoxed from. This just sucks. period. I started off doing 1/2 tab (20mg tab) once a week and then eventually, twice a week. but that proved to already be surprisingly disruptive. (I don't recommend that method). I was already experiencing the: Bad DIZZY spells, exhaustion, anger, depression, confusion, out of body sensation, SHOCKS to my brain, malaise, sweats, sensitivity to sound & light and OTHER PEOPLE, nausea, migraines, headaches, mood swings (high & low), agitation, heart palpatations/racing, hypervenhilation, feeling raw, FUZZY BRAIN and so on. I'm now cutting back 1/4 a pill EVERY day instead. It's actually faster, but feels less disruptive to my brain chemistry. Less of an agravation of the level... less messing with the "cruise control" so to speak.
I've been doing that for about a week and I generally feel ok except the depression and anger periodically comes up and hits me (like an unexpected bat to the kneecaps) like for an hour and then lift. This is definitely when hobbies come in handy. :D
Cooking a meal tonight for my Dad definitely helped. But sometimes the symptoms are just too horrendous to even will myself to do anything. it's kind of like a smaller, more (hopefully) temporary labotomy. . That is to say, a core part of you gets abducted for a while. your strength is depleated. Your mojo sprained. It's really unpleasant.
I'm realizing here that I have a lot i want to say!
And I should mention before i go that those brain zaps, for me like a vibrator on my brain (lasting about 3 seconds in duration) started when i actually went ON the medication. I told 2 doctors about it but no one seemed concerned at all and actually pretty much discounted it completely. Someone I know even told me that there are no muscles in the brain so that what i was describing was actually impossible. (Does anyone know scientifically exactly what is happening to us there?)
It wasn't until i found this page that i was validated and found I'M NOT ALONE.
Lets all get better so we can get these bastards!
hehehehehe :)
Nahh.. let's get better and get our revenge through living well.

P.S. Also, I have been taking SamE in the morning upon waking on an empty stomach (only 1/2 tab). I got headaches when i took a full dose in conjunction with a full dose of lexapro. And I've been taking a supplement called Mood Factors which has vitamin B and Amino acids and such which are both really good for energy and mental clarity and decreasing your appetite (which i also suspect this med had a hand in my strange weight gain). I think these are helping thus far. I am totally going to get Dramamine and/or benedryl as a sleep/anxiety aid (as recommended by all y'all here).
Other than that, sleep is definitely good for repairing things.
That and exercise. I've started going to the gym. Any movement is good movement!!!!
Watch stupid funny movies.
Laugh with friends and try not to bark at them.
Warn people close to you when you feel a time/emotion warp coming on. Let them know it's not personal. Walk away if you have to.
Laugh.
Cook.
Give yourself the ok to take the time to do this. To give yourself the opportunity to feel for yourself. This is important. You deserve it.
At least these are a few things that i'd like to hear.
"Your life is waiting

~E.B."






April 2, 2006 10:50 AM
 

E.B. said:

{{{ Hi, Thank you for contacting the ***** Recovery Center. Can you please tell me what meds do you want to stop taking, what were they
prescribed for, and why do you want to make a change. This
information will help me understand what resources might be most appropriate. Thanks

>
Hi ---,
Thank you. Lexapro mainly and ativan. I'm not really a drug addict. just having a hard time getting off my meds, which I've been taking for 10 years. I would like to have a baby at some point here and don't want to be on these meds during pregnancy.
Thanks!,


Hi *****,
The Lexapro does not usually produce withdrawal symptoms and can usually be reduced with the help of your doctor. Ativan is a different story. After taking Ativan for the long period of time you have, assistance with detox would be recommended. ***** recovery center is a good place to go to achieve this goal. Our admissions department can help with the next step. We can check your insurance and see if we are a contracted hospital that you can access. Our number is ***** Thanks *****}}}}}

And then here is what I just sent as a response:



{not true.
check this out:
http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/13749.aspx
(they've explained my experience for me. All of
them.)

Dear ****,
((or really , not you but To whom it may concern.) I
apologize in advance for any anger expressed in this
email. It IS NOT directed at you, but rather to the
state of the healthcare profession. I do not know you
and do not wish to offend you. But I feel it is my
duty, as a citizen of this human race to share this
with other human beings. ))

I understand if drug rehab is not the place for anti-d
withdrawal.
Because one does not become "addicted" per se, but
rather dependent. .. physically and emotionally
dependent. But not like you feel the need to rob a
liquor store to go score some. More like you feel
like dying from discomfort so you just finally,
despite yourself give in and just keep taking it so
you don't have to feel so crappy. Basically like
having a nasty monkey on your back except without the
fun high parts. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not
saying I would rather be addicted to heroin. I'm
merely illustrating a point that people in the
healthcare profession and patients and loved ones of
patients need to know. This shit is NOT to be taken
lightly. It is not good to be so cavalier with one's
brain chemistry. It IS a big deal. And I think it is
still fairly new so it is still not widely known how
heavy AND PERMANENT this stuff really is.
Heroin or coke is like getting whacked on the head
where as anti-Ds are more like chinese water
torture.... chinese water torture over a VERY extended
period of time. It does effect you. Saying there are
no withdrawal symptoms is like saying it doesn't
doesn't change you at all in the first place. In which
case why convince people it's a good thing to do?
So I understand if there are no hospitals to go
through this in. The hospitals and clinics are on the
same team as the drug companies. It's like invasion
of the body snatchers. And the takers or I would say
"victims" of this drug (except that we chose the risk
of taking it in the first place) are all left to fight
this on our own, basically with nowhere to turn to.
I worked in a recovery home for nearly 3 years. I
know that these drugs are increasingly encouraged as a
way to cope with the depression of missing drugs. And
for people who already medicate I think this is
questionable(not necessarily wrong but...) territory
and i fear it is extremely shortsighted. It does not
take into consideration the horror that may ensue when
the levels are off or the meds are ceased. the
crippling morose debilitating horror. and bone
chilling physical anger. All of these things which
could lead, with ease, back to abusing drugs again
again. Hell, these symptoms... it's enough for a
(basic) non drug addict like me to turn to illegal
drugs just to get through this fiasco! no
exaggeration.
Another problem these RXs pose is that you build
tolerance to them (just like ANY drug). And then they
just level off.... basically not doing a thing except
keeping you hooked on them. pretty much the
definition of a parasite.
As you may sense by now, I'm not a fan of them. and I
am sickened that i have to basically turn my life
upside down for a questionable amount of time. I
would like to have kids one day (and these drugs may
or may not cause mental retardation and/or withdrawals
in newborns. the studies are not all in yet.
meaning... not enough generations of us guinea pigs
have passed through yet to really say one way or the
other), A. and B, I would like to know that my
emotions are mine and that I am not just missing out
on life. Missing out on creativity.. (creativity in
the multi root sense of the word.) And hooking my
body up to something undoubtedly harmful for no reason
or benefit. A regimen which was cast, to begin with,
on false pretense and held in place in this society as
an entity, through propaganda. My only small hope for
this evening is that i have done something to dispel
this tall tale.
I'm not saying it is never a help to anyone, I'm just
saying that 98% of the time it isn't. And not just
not a help, but a curse.
Perhaps this email has agitated you, (i was pretty
much the only person at my old work who did not think
they were a hot idea.) that has not been my intent.
My intent is to shed light on something that needs it.
There are people aching in the dark feeling their way
blindly out of this twisted notion of reality. And
the only ... ONLY support out there are the lot of us
reaching through our computers.

If you made it through this long email,
Thanks so much for your time.
I appreciate it.

~Brooke}}
April 4, 2006 9:42 PM
 

Margot Harris said:

"My name is Margot and I'm a Lexaprolic"

"HI MARGOT!!!"

...And thus begins a fictitious 12 step "L.A." (Lexaprolics Anonymous) meeting which many of us could be attending!

Seriously, I am SOOOOO grateful that I found this site from my Google search! I had been on Lexapro, 10 mg. for about 2 and 1/4 years, with a few short breaks, until 3 weeks ago, when I came off cold turkey.

As a means of some background info, I am a psychiatric social worker in an outpatient mental health clinic, and one of my friends and colleagues, a psychiatrist there, had given me Lexapro (we get oodles of samples from the pharmaceutical companies who descend daily on our clinic like vultures) in December, 2003 after my mom had had a debilitating stroke and I was struggling to cope with this situation. I can honestly say that I felt the beneficial effects of the Lexapro within 5 days and that it removed the droopy feeling of malaise and helped me feel more functional, albeit somewhat number on an emotional level. One other surprise benefit was that I was experiencing significantly fewer headaches than I had previous to being on the Lexapro. On the negative side, my libido was reduced to practically nothing (although the onset of menopause also had begun a few months before I started the Lexapro), and I found that I felt more sedated than normal.

Weight gain had not been much of a factor until the last couple of months, and could not be explained by any change in my eating or exercise habits (very responsible in both areas). So, I decided to try to isolate the variables and come off the Lexapro to see if my weight corrected itself. Starting in week 2 of my withdrawal is when I started to experience many of the symptoms that have been described in earlier posts on this thread, including, dizziness, irritability, weepiness (i.e., tears over Katie Couric leaving the Today Show??!!) and feeling disconnected from myself. I had discounted the impact of the Lexapro withdrawal because I had been on a relatively low dose, but after reading these testimonies, I am now a believer!

Therefore, I am now prepared to ride out this storm, thanks to the "normalization" of my symptoms from all of you. Just one question...about how long did it take for these symptoms to end for the rest of you?

Thanks again for your help!

Margot

Therefore
April 8, 2006 3:24 PM
 

Anonymous said:

Just a little P.S. to my post yesterday -

I'm feeling MUCH better today, primarily due, I'm certain, to my relief from finding this blog yesterday and having had my symptoms normalized. Although I'm still feeling a little "spacy", I'm no longer experiencing the dizziness that was so debilitating these past couple of weeks.

Thanks to all of you for your help!

Margot
April 9, 2006 10:08 PM
 

Anonymous said:

Hey... is there any way to delete on here? I'm not used to blogging & feel a little exposed.

Thanks.
April 11, 2006 5:38 AM
 

Anonymous said:

I have also experienced the "mysterious" weight gain (~30 lbs) with no change to diet/exercise (except doing more of both to try to combat gain). After slowly decreasing my dosage I am now completely off Lex (~ 4 weeks now). Can anyone who has experienced the weight gain tell me how long it took to shed the extra lbs? I feel like diet and exercise has had NO effect whatsoever (and the scale and my clothes agree)!
April 18, 2006 1:00 PM
 

E.B. said:

Hey so I went to go pick up my pills today ($87)... anyway... and i happened to notice there was a new little sticker added. You know like "may cause dizziness", "may cause drowsiness", etc.
This one said: "may cause stomache bleeding" .
My stomache's been bleeding for months. Yayyy for meee!
April 21, 2006 4:09 AM
 

E.B. said:

P.S. So here is my (semi new) plan of attack/what's been working for me in getting off this crap. For about a month now, I've been taking 3/4 of a tablet every night. I've also been taking Melatonin 1mg at night. And 1/2 Sam-E (full potency) 200mg (by Jarrow formulas) each morning. I am amazed how fine I am so far. I feel hardly any disruption with me.
Before this, for about 3 months I was doing 1/2 tablet once a week (for 6 weeks) and then twice a week 1/2 tab for about 6 weeks. And even at once a week agitated my brain chemistry. And after a few weeks the pattern emerged: if Sunday was the night I cut the dosage, Tuesday I would be dizzy irritable hazy (& k-hole like. yay.). Just like clockwork.
But so far with my new regime (knock on wood) it's been smooooth sailing. And it's actually faster this way. And more even keeled.
I would go to the next change now, but I prefer to finish out the semester in school and leave my grades unskaved.
(Although if my stomach continues to be tight and/or bleeding, I may have to fast-forward this whole process.)
Who knows- could be more blessed uneventfulness, but I don't want to risk it, I'm doing too well right now (emotionally).
So the next increment will be 1/2 every night for 3-4 weeks. And 1 whole Sam-E each morning. And continue with one melatonin at night.
And so on til I am off the lexapro.
And I'll probably continue to use (and possibly increase) the Sam-E after I am totally off the lexapro.

If anyone's interested:

www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-2935.html - 26k -

www.psychologytoday.com/ articles/pto-20010301-000036.html - 24k -

It's just what's working for me.
But as the saying goes, "there are many ways to skin a cat."

E.B.
April 21, 2006 4:50 AM
 

0verit said:

Hello,

I too am trying to come of Lexapro. I have been taking 15mg for about 2 years and have weened myself off 5 mg ever week.I feel absolutely miserable today...I just don't know what to do with myself. The strange thing is that I have been off it for 10 days and felt fine until this weekend. Now I have the brain volts, anxiety, crying spells, and the strangest sensation in my chest. Has anyone had chest pains as a withdrawal symptom? I can't tell if it is a pain that comes from having so much anxiety right now or if it is something more....
April 23, 2006 11:10 PM
 

Monica said:

I posted in January here about trying to withdraw and how difficult it was, and then i started taking pills again. There was just no other way to combat it. At that time though i didnt have insurance or was between insurances and couldnt see a doctor, but now that I can I think I will ask for Paxil CR again since I can't remember being happier and surprisingly energetic and at the same time relaxed and anxiety free as I was when I took the Paxil. I made a mistake to switch and will probably go straight to the doctor and ask for Paxil.
May 1, 2006 4:47 AM
 

ta said:

Rory does a great job and a wonderful service to all of us "Lexapro takin' peeepulll" (sung to the tune of the beer commercial). I also am on the end of the cycle and hope I can stay off the stuff for good. But at least I know what to expect now, far more than I did when my good doc said "Hey try this....it only has some sexual side efffects." WHAT?!! was my first response, then decided he knew best. Really, he didn't, but must have just had a visit from the rep.......THEY say it is the best SSRI out there for low side effects and withdrawal problems.....anyway, thanks Rory for the site....hope you are doing better these days......


























May 5, 2006 2:29 PM
 

Mandypenn said:

Thank God for you folks. I really thought I was losing it--I was told by my MD to switch right over from 20mg of Lexapro to 150 of Wellbutrin. THANKS. I requested the Wellbutrin because of the "uncommon" Lexapro side effect of low sex drive. Low? How about negative! But now that I'm off (getting there), I realize that I had absolutly NO emotions for the past 5 months. No panic attacks, true, and people didn't pi$$ me off too much, but not happy, excited, laughing... My husband just commented today that it was nice to hear me laugh.

That said, no one can really give me any idea how long this will take? I can handle the zaps, the vertigo isn't terrible; but I'm constantly sick to my stomach and I HATE my husband right now. True, he has been a real a$$ lately (and part of the reason I'm on the drugs to begin with...), but I really can't stand him. Or his family. But I have a 16 month old daughter to care for, and I'm miserable.

I go back to the Dr. on Monday and I'm wondering if it would help to up the Wellbutrin dose. Any suggestions?
May 9, 2006 12:42 AM
 

eb said:

Sorry to hear about your predicament. We are all as far as I know trying to go off anti-depressants period. To go from one to another isn't that big of a deal. You should be fine. That is if you are fine with being on them in the first place. When you start with the new drug, that will take away your emotions as well, but the seual side effects may not be as bad. I took wellbutrin and it didn't effect my sex drive. Anyhow, it's not really my place to shell out advice, but yeah... maybe it isn't the right time to be going off meds when you are caring for a young child. Only if you have a lot of support and people behind you would I say that that is a good idea. ..and if that's the case, no time is a good time, but it IS doable if you have the support. Just my 2 cents, I hope this helps. Good luck to you and take care.
May 11, 2006 5:07 AM
 

ta said:

Mandypenn.....your child is all-important to you, it is obvious....try to find someone who will help you and give you moral support....friend, clergy, family member.....don't try to do this alone.....be patient and persevere....this healing will take time...suggest keeping a journal of you feelings....the good the bad....the ups and downs....side effects of withdrawal...while the docs may help with a different med, they seldom help with the rest, so seek info on the web....share your pain, and it may lessen it a bit...look for spiritual outlets, prayer or meditation....I have started Tai chi, and it helps with the positive, as well as exercise and relaxation....keep us posted.....
May God bless you as you continue this effort
May 16, 2006 1:49 PM
 

BikerMo said:

I work for a bankrupt airline and went on lexapro almost 2 years ago after going to the doc for heart palps. switched to zoloft because of the sleeplessness, which was great except for the noticeable and distracting shakes. switched to paxil, shakes didn't diminish. took effexor for a week (has neuroepinephrine) and felt like i would fall down the large metal staircase at work because of the slight head rushes i'd get from the neuroepi. doc switched me back to lex, and upped my dosage to 20 mg. been on that for about a year. at this point, the cure is worse than the disease. i can't sleep, i lost a better paying job in this company (a must have after a pay cut!) due to attendance and had to go back to a job i left for certain reasons, none of which have changed.

on top of that, my boyfriend left me for drugs, just like my father did, and my dog ran away and got killed by a car on easter. how could it POSSIBLY get any worse?

the doc that initially prescribed the ssri's was actually a physician's assistant. when she left the state for another job i started seeing another PA. hmmm. think maybe i should see a psychologist instead.

so, cure being worse than the diesase and all, i'm trying to go off totally. lowered my 20 mg to 10 and already feeling withdrawal after only 4 days. i know what to expect, i've had withdrawal from missing doses, but i'm torn between upping my dosage to 3/4 instead of 1/2, and just trying to tough it out.

anyway, great analogy of how ssri's work, and thanks to everyone for sharing their stories. i found many just like mine and that really helps.

best wishes to everyone.
May 22, 2006 3:30 PM
 

underwhelmed said:

I used to work for a local hospital in a non-medical division. After almost two and a half years of seeing dead or dying sick people the strain got to be too much. I had no life outside my job due to the physical strain; I just couldn't muster up enough energy to go out and have fun. I could barely even stand to visit my own family.
After developing heart palpitations and panic attacks I consulted a doctor. He wanted to put me on Wellbutrin XL. I got the script filled and went online to look at what i would be taking. It scared the hell out of me. I went back a few weeks later to ask the doc if he had the opposite of what the drug did because I already had anxiety and suicidal tendancies. He was upset that I didn't value his estimation of what I needed and put me on Lexapro, 10mg and a large dose of Lorizepam. (Lori was only to be with me a week)
I had to quit my job. The medicine did not decrease my feelings of panic and helplessness, but it did make me feel numb and insensiate. I existed in this grey area between happy and sad and lost interest in about everything I enjoy. I had been prescribed Paxil eleven years previous for depression and only took it three days due to the incredible, razor-in-the-stomach feeling it gave me and I told my doctor I would rather feel sad than nothing at all, but he assured me I needed the Lex.
Then the quack folds his practice. Now I have no physician because I cannot afford one. I quit taking the Lex because it cost me 70 dollars a month that I do not have. I took the drug three months and have been off it for eleven days. Yesterday and this morning I had a constant roaring in my ears when I laid down and I felt dizzy upon getting up. My moods are starting to swing. I've gained seven pounds. Now, instead of listening to my heart in the middle of the night I listen to the blood going through my ears.
I am furious that I was so casually put on a drug that is so hard to get off of. If I am having this much stress from a mere 3 month regimen than the people who have been on it for years m