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Windows Media Center and Xbox 360 WMC Extender - The Honest Review

I woke up yesterday morning with the knowledge that God wanted me to buy a Windows Media Center PC.

Really?

Yeah. Totally.

Are you sure?

Yeah. Totally.

Do you have any proof?

I don’t need proof. This sort of thing happens all the time. Sometimes it’s God telling you to walk a nun across the street, and other times it’s God telling you to put your entire family in a soup, eat what you can, save the rest for leftovers, feed the leftovers to your neighbors, put your neighbors in a soup, and then eat your neighbors who just ate the soup that contained your family, which is sort of like eating your family all over again.

I know it in here [tapping at my heart].

Aren’t you an atheist?

Let me ask you a question: Should I let my being an atheist get in the way of carrying out the Will of God?

That’s what I thought.

Effin-A, bro.

The Lowdown

After buying an Xbox 360 (review here), I also started to buy into the idea that my company is pushing which is centered around the idea of the 360 being the gadget with which to tie together the family entertainment center.

At first I thought it was a bunch of crap, but then I started playing with some of the multimedia features of the console and decided that I wanted the whole story – not just access to photos and music, which is available out of the box - but easy access to videos, TV, radio, and all the other stuff that Windows Media Center has to offer.

As it turns out, this was mostly a good idea. There were some bumps along the way, and I’m still not quite sold on the WMC thing, but I feel confident that I’m going to get through this, what with the Blessing of the Lord and all.

The Hardware

I already had an HDTV and my 360, so the only thing missing was the WMC PC. I went online and did some research at the Windows Media Center site where I found links to various off the shelf systems. I checked the prices, cross-referenced the numbers with my bank account balance, and determined that I couldn’t really afford a new computer. But, if God didn’t want me to buy a WMC PC, then he wouldn’t have invented credit cards, debt, and bankruptcy, so I went for it.

As a Microsoft employee, I have access to the operating system behind WMC, namely Windows XP Media Center Edition, and many of my friends have purchased hardware on their own, assembled a system, and then thrown the OS on top. I didn’t do this for the simple reason that I didn’t want to. I just got back from a team meeting in Vegas, and I’m tired. I knew that purchasing and setting up a WMC PC would take time, and I didn’t want to add to that by also becoming a one-time OEM. Screw that. Just give me one of those pre-assembled jobs.

I also wanted a fairly cheap system. I’m not one of these people who’s worried about stupid things like fan noise or tidy little cases. I like a little bit of background noise – it tends to make it easier for me to ignore the voices in my head that are telling me to make Family Soup. If you go online and check out one of the popular DIY articles on the subject, you’ll find that the cost can ramp up quickly. The system in the article I just linked to got up over $2,000, which is about $1,000 more than I was willing to spend. Plus, because of the unfortunate way child labor laws have gone in this country, I’d have to assemble the bastard myself. Lame.

It seems that Gateway and HP make many of the less expensive models. I took this information with me to BestBuy and, after discussing the matter with a well trained and deeply insightful customer representative, chose an HP (note that the thing about the BestBuy employee being well trained was sarcasm – I don’t even think he was potty trained, to say nothing of his ability to help me select a system). He told me that Gateway uses good components, but just doesn’t go the extra step to put them together properly.

Say no more, my good man.

Say no more.

The model I ended up with, costing roughly $1,000 after rebates, is an HP m7250n. The model name, “m7250n,” shouldn’t mean a whole lot to you, as it doesn’t seem to mean much to HP. If you head to the support page for the series (which you will have to do if you buy one of these (that was foreshadowing)), you can see the naming mess behind these suckers. It’s sad that the Rest of the World hasn’t picked up on how appealing simplicity is to consumers. Shopping for an Apple, for example, although expensive, is always easy. The HP page I just linked to gives the impression that HP sold this system in every possible hardware configuration for every possible market. There’s a model with the DVD writer, there’s a model without, there’s a model that has rocket boosters, there’s a model that has windshield wipers, and so on.

They might have produced a system with far fewer problems if they had just focused on one or two configurations.

But I’m getting ahead of myself.

The specs are… well, to be honest, unimportant to me. It has a 2.8Ghz dual core Pentium 4 with something-something technology, an ATI something card, a TV tuner thing, and a five-thousand jiggybyte hard drive. I don’t know.

CPUs have hit this point of just being ass-whackingly powerful. So powerful that I couldn’t care less as to what’s inside. As long as my pr0n renders correctly, it could be running on the chip from my old TI-85 for all I care.

The Software

The machine is running Windows XP Media Center Edition Rollup 2, which is a !@#$ing mouthful.

If my friends come over and ask me what’s powering “that neat video computer thing” (this is assuming I actually managed to get some friends, by the way), I’m just not going to say “Windows XP Media Center Edition Rollup 2.” To avoid the question, I’ll probably just knock them out and ditch their bodies in a Goodwill donations box (or I might add them to the Family Soup – it’s really up to God).

Microsoft marketing, like HP, seems to be lacking in the simplicity department.

We came out with Windows 98 Second Edition a few years ago. The name wasn’t perfect, but it worked, and it should have set a precedent. But, instead of keeping with that naming scheme, we came out with things like Windows XP SP2, Windows Server 2003 R2, and, now, Windows XP Media Center Edition Rollup 2.

It’s confusing to customers. These should all just be “Second Edition” products. It might not be the best name, but at least it’s consistent.

Anyway, extraordinarily stupid naming aside, it’s a nice OS. To the user, it just looks like XP with a new skin and the Media Center application. Hell, that might be exactly what it is. I don’t know.

The system also comes with a bunch of super crappy HP software. I’ll get to that later.

The First Hour

Driving home, I had high hopes for the system. The Xbox 360 is easily one of the best consumer electronics purchases I’ve ever made, and it raised the bar for home entertainment products in my world. I thought the WMC PC would provide me with more joy.

Five minutes after opening the box and spreading the various electronic doo-dads on the floor before me, the first twinges of foreboding set in. It didn’t look like things were going to be as easy as I expected.

As with many systems being sold nowadays, inside the box was a hip and colorful poster showing me where to plug things. Unfortunately, it didn’t cover my setup. I have digital cable with one of those gigantic decoder boxes sitting between the wall and my TV. The system on the poster showed cable going straight from the wall to the PC with no sign of a decoder box.

Digging through a stack of photocopied warranty information, I found a couple guides. One was called the “Getting Started” guide, which, in retrospect, should have been called “Getting Screwed” or “Getting Frustrated” or “Getting Nowhere Really Fast,” and the other was “Software Guide.” The “Software Guide” was more or less accurately named, although it was missing the single most important software related advice anybody could be given regarding this system, and that’s: Delete the HP add-on applications as quickly as your little fingers can manage.

If you don’t delete the HP software, then you might get to experience what I experienced when setting the system up, which leads us nicely into…

The Next Twenty-Four Hours

Setup was really nowhere near as easy as I thought it would be. I had the system up in some state of partial functioning last night, but it wasn’t until nearly 3:00 AM that I was finally able to browse all the channels I get through my digital service. It wouldn’t have taken me so long if the computer had come with better documentation. As it was, I still had to get some help from internal MS folks who just happened to be up late.

This worries me. As a stockholder and an employee, I’d like to think that you don’t need an MCSE and internal MS connections to be able to set up a Windows Media Center PC. I know there have been plenty of people who have successfuly managed to do it, but I shudder to think of how many weren’t able to get past the first few frustrations.

One problem I had was that I don’t have a single monitor in my apartment. I’ve been working exclusively with notebooks for several years, so I haven’t needed one. I knew at the outset that I would be able to get started with the WMC by hooking it up to my HDTV. My goal was to get it up and running in such a state that I’d be able to terminal services into the box.

I got there, but there was some malfunctioning HP idiotware that kept screwing the experience up. A dialog box kept popping up, reporting some bullshit error, making it impossible to shut the machine down remotely. This meant that, as I went along and made changes to the system that required reboots, I had to walk over to the box and unplug it. I would have used the power button, but the power button seems to have some strange random behavior that causes it to sometimes power down, and sometimes go into sleep mode. I gave up trying to figure out the algorithm and resorted to yanking the plug.

When I couldn’t take it anymore, I just started shutting down Windows services until I found the one that was linked to the error dialog. Seeing that it was part of the HP digital imaging tools, I just went into Add/Remove programs and removed anything with “HP” next to it. One reboot later things were working properly, and I haven’t had a problem since.

Long story short, it was a serious pain in the ass, and WMC, at least in the system I bought, isn’t ready for the general public. While WMC has shitloads of cool features that take it way beyond basic PVR functionality, nobody’s ever going to know because they’re going to return their systems out of frustration and buy TiVo’s instead.

The only thing that stopped me from returning the system was that I wanted to be able to use the Windows Media Center Extender technology built into the Xbox 360.

The Xbox 360 as a WMC Extender

Getting the WMC PC up and running sucked. Getting it set up as a WMC Extender for the 360 sucked nearly as much.

There’s a “simple” application that will run in wizard form on your WMC to link it to your 360. The problem is that it tends to error out with vague messages.

For starters, it kept quitting on me and saying, more or less, that it couldn’t find the Xbox 360. It didn’t say why – just that it couldn’t. Given all the hardware and software between the WMC and the 360, diagnosing the problem could have taken all night.

Instead of doing that, I poked around the WMC a bit. Saw that the firewall was turned on, so I disabled it. And then I disabled it. And then I disabled it. And then I – hey – what the hell is going on here?

HP, looking out for me, installed a Norton firewall application that was running side-by-side with the Windows firewall. It took me ten minutes to figure out that the Norton firewall sucked dog balls and that I was going to have to remove it. There wasn’t an easily accessible configuration that would allow me to poke holes, allowing for network traffic, so I whacked it. Then I shut down the Windows firewall.

Having taken care of that, installation continued, which was nice. I felt like I was getting somewhere.

But I wasn’t.

The installer crapped out on me about three more times for different reasons before it finally “stuck.” But, when I tried to connect with the 360, I got an error message saying that the WMC was unavailable and that I’d have to go through the process again.

I took a five minute break to pound my head against the wall until my frontal lobe turned to jelly and a peaceful stupor settled over my being. A little bit of brain damage in the face of technical hell is just what the doctor ordered.

Got back to it, ran through the install process a few more times, and finally managed to get the two bastards to talk to teach other.

And you know what? It was actually pretty cool.

The Experience

Once the system was finally tied together and operating as it was supposed to (more than twenty-four hours after having purchased the WMC PC), I was pretty impressed.

At first, network performance caused the image to occasionally break up, but this was easily solved by moving the 360 from the wireless network to a wired connection. The WMC PC was still on the wireless network - the problem was having both on wireless at the same time. After moving the 360, I had enough bandwidth to watch HD broadcasts being sent from the WMC PC to the 360 without any jitters at all (for the record, I have an 802.11g setup).

The broadcast guide was easy to use. I entered my zip code into a field, and listings for my area were downloaded. I then went in and whacked all the channels containing programming I didn’t want (sports/shopping/Disney), and was left with a nicely refined catalog. I haven’t watched much cable since I got it a year ago, and it’s mostly because I’ve been intimidated by the quantity of available programs. Being able to trim down to only what interests me suddenly made the process of finding shows easy.

There’s also a nice search tool that lets me find content by type (show/movie/etc.), by title, by keyword, and other criteria. I decided that I wanted to see what movies were playing, and the list was presented to me in a scrollable 4x3 grid, complete with downloaded movie posters, casting information, and ratings. I have five movies set to be recorded now, and I’m thinking about cancelling my Netflix membership.

For the times when I don’t feel like watching movies or TV, there is also an FM radio tuner that works well, although recording isn’t provided. That’s a real bummer since I can’t imagine it would be that hard to enable audio recording, but whatever.

In addition to that, there’s a slew of online sources of content that can be easily accessed. For example, I wanted to listen to NPR today so that I could enjoy some top-notch pretension. Rather than using the FM tuner, I just navigated a simple menu, selected NPR, and had Talk of the Nation streaming within seconds. Even better, I was able to select which stories inside ToTN that I wanted to listen to, rather than having to listen to the entire broadcast. Pretty effin sweet, yo.

While NPR was playing in the background, I was able to watch photo slideshows of my trip to Fiji with Aydika.

Nifty.

The biggest bummer of the experience for me was the quality of recorded shows. I solved this today by going out today, purchasing an ATI TV Wonder Elite, and slapping it in the box. I got it for about $120, and the difference in quality was immediately apparent.

Installation was easy, and I can happily recommend the card.

Worth It?

The worst part of using a WMC system is setup. The second worst part is connecting your 360 to it.

Once those two nightmares are out of the way, it’s wonderful. Without sounding like a marketing dummy, I’m actually getting a hell of a lot more out of cable this way. Before, I turned it on every once in a while, channel surfed, and got bored. Now I have easy, organized access to things that I want without all the crap I don’t.

A major downside that I encountered, though, was the system’s inability to play some AVIs that I got through bittorrent. They’re DiVX, and the WMC system doesn’t seem to support it. I’m hoping that simply downloading the codec will solve the problem, but I’m afraid to try because I’m afraid it won’t work, and I don’t want to be disappointed. We shall see.

Right now, I’d say it’s worth it. I’m probably going to get a dedicated monitor for the box and use it as a video/audio editing station in addition to its current duties, and that’s going to further increase its value to me. Even without that, though, I’d still say that the box is worth the money.

However, I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I’m a bit disappointed that we don’t have a more streamlined experience for customers. I looked at a few different WMC systems, and it seems that they all do roughly the same thing, but with little changes that make a difference. Some WMC systems didn’t even have TV tuner cards. I don’t see the point in that.

I’d like to see a WMC based system that only provides the WMC functionality. Forget nesting it in a full blown copy of Windows - that isn’t what consumers want. Just give them a nice media box that does what it does well, rather than trying to be a media box and a PC all at once.

If such a system were available, and if it sold for about $500, I would have picked it up without a thought. If I could have plugged it right into my TV, avoided the hassles of setup, and had a great experience in the first fifteen minutes I was running it, then Microsoft would have the best story in the home media space.

As things stand, that’s not the case, and I can only really recommend a WMC PC to someone who has experience troubleshooting PC based problems. I’m talking about a knowledge of hardware, software, and networking. I wouldn’t, for example, give my sister a WMC PC even though I know she’d love the functionality. I wouldn’t give one to my father. I wouldn’t even give one to my somewhat nerdy friends. This thing is exclusively for the hands-on geek who’s not afraid to get dirty with cables and settings.

I hope that changes, though. A simplified experience would be great for the company and for our customers.

All that said, it’s worth it for me. I’m hooked.

Published Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:57 AM by Rory

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Comments

 

John Price said:

Brilliant, I have been through the same frustration. I have neighbours that have seen my set and want one. When asked what it is, I have had to say 'its something I put together myself' rather than advertising this fantastic product, just because I dont want to have to send days dealing with thier 'just a quick question' issues. The setup experience needs to change, then maybe, Bill can go for the PC in every living room vision for real..
December 15, 2005 10:15 AM
 

JasonF said:

I can't say that I had the same nightmare experience that you had setting up and/or configuring WMC (I installed onto a formatted hard drive from the MSDN subscription disks).

Sidenote: I don't think it's a MCSE thing (I'm not). Maybe it's a Karma thing--too much Mac/Safari surfing for the Rodawgg makes bad things happen when you resume Kool-aid drinking.

Overall, my experience using the XBOX as a Media Center Extender was without incident, but not without some minor disappointments:

http://jasonf-blog.blogspot.com/2005/12/xbox-360-as-media-center-extender.html

December 15, 2005 1:01 PM
 

Steve Tibbett said:

Great post man.. I went through a lot of the same stuff, with the added joy that I have a domain at home and WMC can't join a domain nor can the Windows Media Connect service authenticate against a domain, so I can't stream stuff that isn't on the WMC PC.

http://blog.stevex.net/index.php/2005/12/04/windows-media-connect-service-cant-connect-to-domain-shared-folder/

Scary thing is I've heard that WMC Update Rollup 2 is much improved over how it used to be.
December 15, 2005 1:44 PM
 

Scott Williams said:

I'd be willing to bet that most of your problems were due to HP, they really are a terrible company. I honestly think that Microsoft gets a bad rap because the OEMs just load up on the crapware. I slapped together a media center from spare parts on an old Dell, and didn't have nearly the troubles you did.

Regarding the Divx and Xvid, as long as you install the codecs, WMC will recognize it. I recommend the Defiler Pack (google for it). Oh, and it has to be a common video file type (just rename it to .avi and it should work).
December 15, 2005 3:10 PM
 

Mark Mehelis said:

Rory,

I had a lot of problems in setting up mine up to a point that I was happy. Once I was there I have been very happy with the WMC, although I don't have a 360.

At some point you may want to burn some of those tv shows to DVD and tear out the commercials. I Highly recommend dCut http://www.inseattle.org/~dan/Dcut.htm which is written by someone at MS. It is pretty ruff but is very easy to use and will allow you to convert shows into WMV (compressed).

Mark
December 15, 2005 3:29 PM
 

Christof Jans said:

Rory,

Are you able to use this setup to pause live television?

Also, is it possible to watch one channel while recording another?

And finally, does all this stuff work if you have a set top box from your cable company (brighthouse in my case)?

I am contemplating getting wmc and xbox360, but I am trying to find the answers to my questions and I havent had too much luck so far. So now I am abusing the Rory blog as my personal tech-support ;)

Stof
December 15, 2005 3:35 PM
 

George said:

Hmm...well this was disappointing to hear (read). I've been wanting to try this out but the one rule in my house (mandated by wifey) has been if I introduce technology that impacts the house it must not be complicated.

This sounds complicated. I'm still waiting for the PC in every living room, I thought the XBox 360 WAS the PC in every living room, but it looks like it's just a step towards that dream.

Keep working on it Bill, I'm rooting for you!!!

(oh and thanks for sharing your research Rory, nicely done (like you NEED to hear that from me, the voice already let you know you did a great job....))

December 15, 2005 6:04 PM
 

Rory said:

JasonF -

"Sidenote: I don't think it's a MCSE thing (I'm not). Maybe it's a Karma thing--too much Mac/Safari surfing for the Rodawgg makes bad things happen when you resume Kool-aid drinking."

Hey!

I'm researching the competitor's products, OK?

And it's a long term study that has been going on for years, and will probably continue for many more.

Part of what makes me such a valuable employee is that I'm willing to make these personal sacrifices :)
December 15, 2005 6:05 PM
 

Rory said:

Scott -

"I honestly think that Microsoft gets a bad rap because the OEMs just load up on the crapware."

We absolutely do.

But, I we ask for it. I was watching an interview with BillG on the MTV service that streams through WMC, and he was asked why Microsoft hasn't gotten more into the hardware side of things like it has with Microsoft.

His answer was that our partners already do a great job of assembling these things for us.

I found it ironic that I was listening to him say that while watching the interview on a machine built by one of our partners, and which took me two days to properly set up.

I'd love to see a Microsoft built WMC, but I don't see how we could make money on it without marking it way up. Plus, we'd be taking on a lot of risk to make it happen, and since our expertise isn't in hardware, I'm not sure if it would be wise.

But it *would* be cool.
December 15, 2005 6:09 PM
 

Rory said:

Christof -

"Are you able to use this setup to pause live television?"

Yup. Pause, rewind, etc...

"Also, is it possible to watch one channel while recording another?"

Yes, but you need two TV tuners. This isn't too difficult, though - I bought a second one yesterday, slapped it in, and was up and running.

However, there's an issue which I'll mention in just a second...

"And finally, does all this stuff work if you have a set top box from your cable company (brighthouse in my case)?"

Yes. It's more complicated, but it works.

You'll connect a video/audio source from the box to one of the tuner cards in the WMC (typically, this can be component cables, a coaxial cable, or an s-video cable with audio cables).

Next, because WMC can't very well control the cable box through video/audio cables (WMC has to change the channel *on the box*), you use what's called an "IR Blaster."

The IR blaster, in my case, is a USB gadget that let's you use a remote with the WMC. More importantly, though, you can plug a little cable into it which has its own IR interface at the end. You place the IR interface end of this cable directly in front of your box, and WMC will then relay remote commands to the cable box.

Sound weird? It is. But it works.

It will also relay commands sent by a remote hooked up to a WMC extender (like the 360). I've been interfacing with the WMC exclusively through the 360, and it works quite well.

"I am contemplating getting wmc and xbox360, but I am trying to find the answers to my questions and I havent had too much luck so far. So now I am abusing the Rory blog as my personal tech-support ;)"

It's not abuse :) I just had to learn a whole bunch of crap that I didn't want to know, and I'm happy to pass it along so that other people don't have to go through the same headache I did.
December 15, 2005 6:15 PM
 

Rory said:

Christof -

I completely forgot to mention the problem with having two TV tuners.

It happens if you're getting your cable through a set top decoder box.

Basically, if you have two tuners, you need two sources of cable. You can get this through use of a splitter on the coaxial, but that doesn't help if you have a set top cable box - you can't very well split the cable box source.

Why?

Because of the IR blaster thing I mentioned.

When you have coaxial running directly into a tuner card with no box inbetween, you use the tuner card to control the channel.

When you have the cable box in the middle, your tuner card isn't controlling the channel anymore - it's just recording from a source.

And, since a cable box can only show one channel at a time, you wouldn't be able to output different channels to two tuner cards. At best, you'd only be able to output the *same* channel.

This is resolved if you get a splitter for the coaxial and an extra cable box, but that sounds like a pain in the butt.

So, yeah, it's possible, but having a cable box really complicates things.

That said, I've been quite happy with recording a show while taking advantage of some of the net media available, watching a previously recorded show at the same time, or just forgetting the whole thing and playing a game on the 360.

Hope this helps. I feel like what I'm telling you is a bit convoluted, but that's because that's how it still is up in my head...
December 15, 2005 6:21 PM
 

Christof Jans said:

Hi Rory,

Thank you very much for your explanation. The ir-blaster thingy really clarified a lot for me.

If you dont mind, I have one more question though. Suppose that I have two tv-tuners in my wmc so that I can record channel R while watching channel W. I suppose I have to connect my set top box to both tuners at the same time. But if I then use the ir-blaster to change the channel to R, both tuners will receive R. Likewise, if I change the channel the W, both tuners will receive W.

I guess, my question is, given that I have a cable company set top box, how do I set it up so that one tuner is recording R while I am watching W with the other tuner? It almost seems like I need two set top boxes.

Stof
December 15, 2005 6:39 PM
 

Christof Jans said:

Hi Rory,

Right after I posted my question, I saw your
comment, which answers my question.

Thanks for all the help. I appreciate it.
December 15, 2005 6:42 PM
 

matt k said:

"I’d like to see a WMC based system that only provides the WMC functionality. Forget nesting it in a full blown copy of Windows - that isn’t what consumers want. Just give them a nice media box that does what it does well, rather than trying to be a media box and a PC all at once.

If such a system were available, and if it sold for about $500, I would have picked it up without a thought."

isn't that a Tivo?
December 15, 2005 6:45 PM
 

Rory said:

matt k -

"isn't that a Tivo?"

I should have clarified, because you're right - a Tivo is sort of what I want.

But:

1. I don't want to pay for a subscription service

2. I want to be able to access the content through my Xbox 360 as an extender

3. I like all the added features of WMC (the free broadband content is fantastic, the photo album stuff is cool, and I can watch videos that I've imported from an external drive)
December 15, 2005 7:42 PM
 

Rory said:

George -

"Hmm...well this was disappointing to hear (read). I've been wanting to try this out but the one rule in my house (mandated by wifey) has been if I introduce technology that impacts the house it must not be complicated."

You big pussy!

Look - operation of the thing is *easy*. It's the multi-day software/hardwire nightmare of setting it up that sucks.

Once you're done putting it together, you can just stuff the whole setup in a closet. I'm going to be doing that this afternoon, myself.

I figure I'll be done and out of the closet by about 4:00 PM.
December 15, 2005 7:44 PM
 

casey chesnut said:

i just think they need to make it easier for developers to install, so there will be more devs running it and developing apps for it. let it do an update install instead of having to be a clean install. and let it join domains. but at this point its just a matter of waiting for Vista ...
December 15, 2005 9:17 PM
 

Bernie said:

Wow... you would have thought MS would be a little closer to getting this thing right. What a perfect opportunity for Apple: find something that most people don't know they need yet and that requires uber-geekery to do, and make it blindingly simple.

You'll be sorry you didn't wait until after Macworld, Rory.

[let the holy wars begin... NOW]
December 16, 2005 1:26 AM
 

Rory (um, the other one) said:

For those annoying error messages that just can't seem to be developed correctly - try connecting to the console session remotely with the command: msrdp /v mympc /console.
December 16, 2005 4:28 AM
 

Rory said:

Bernie -

"let the holy wars begin... NOW"

<shrug>

You won't hear a religious argument from me - I just like what's good.

Like my Apple :)

However, FrontRow doesn't do what I want.

It doesn't do TV. It doesn't do the cool online content. It doesn't hook up to my 360.

I'll admit that I'd rather have a G5 sitting in the corner than a big, ugly, clunky PC, but the *software* in that PC is really kicking some butt in my world.

If Apple comes out with something more compelling than FrontRow, which I imagine they will, then it'll warrant a look, but it *still* won't hook up to my 360, so it would just be more of a curiosity to me than anything else.

I want all my media flowing through one setup, and the HDTV/360/WMC combo is handling the task admirably right now.
December 16, 2005 5:22 AM
 

Anonymous said:

Now I see why you're too busy to call me back...it's all becoming very clear.
Mr. Miller
PS. Family soup is gross. btw.
December 16, 2005 7:17 AM
 

Ian said:

Rory, now you have Media Center checkout my weekly podcast about Media Center, for developers are users
No crazy co-hosts on my show (shame!)
December 16, 2005 1:39 PM
 

StephenHJ said:

Great post. Makes me rethink my desire of a WMC... but who knows.

It's also a good illustration of the difference between owning the hardware or allowing partners to license the OS (or "why Apple made it's decision.")

The Xbox was easy... MS hardware, MS software, easy setup and great experience. The WMC was painful... MS bas software, OEM "value added" software (that caused incompatibilities) and OEM assembled hardware, creating setup difficulties and issues integrating with the Xbox...

Apple just lets the users add whatever extras they want with a caveat that the incompatible ones aren't Apple's fault. Back when they were allowing clones, there were some similar issues, which I believe was one of the reasons the licensing was terminated.

It'll be interesting to see if they make a set-top family media box, and how they handle the conversion to x86-based CPU's...
December 16, 2005 5:35 PM
 

Anonymous said:

The evil of Norton and their reallly-really bad firewall/antivirus/antispam...

I used to love their stuff (pre-2000 era) but now would rather live with McAfee's stuff then theirs.

Your mistake was really to think and trusted the BS that BestBuy and other customers oriented 'computer' company sold you. That the stuff should/would be easy to setup. Ever wonder why BestBuy started up their 'Geek Team' (or whatever it is that they called themselves). You would have been better off going off to build the dang thing yourself using components. Would have a much better experience (from my experience).

Anyway, hoped that you're finally enjoying the WMC functionality through the 360. As soon as I can get a replacement TV Tuner (my old one really sucks), I'll be looking at buying the Extenders for my other XBOX (not the 360's).
December 16, 2005 6:37 PM
 

Edward said:

I think you'll find it should be called

"Microsoft® Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (With Advanced Security Technologies) Media Center Edition 2005 with Update Rollup 2"
December 17, 2005 5:26 PM
 

Martin said:

Here's another story about OEMs and the crap software they ship with machines. http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/12/19/084237.shtml?tid=201&tid=10&tid=137 .

Of course, users not in the know will blame Microsoft. Not sure what they could do without violating antitrust laws, but I think they should do something. That degrades UX much more than say... not having transparent floating windows. Whenever I buy a machine, step 1 is to format the drive and reinstall. How stupid is that!?
December 19, 2005 11:14 AM
 

Jim said:

If they are not already sold out, you can buy this unit today at Office Depot B&M for $629.99 + tax - $50 rebate.
December 21, 2005 1:54 PM
 

brian said:

I set up an Media Center PC last Christmas and can honestly say that it is one of the best technology purchases I've ever made.

I built my own system (Asus Pundit-R) and loaded MCE from my MSDN subscription. Because it wasn't a prebuilt, finding the right MCE complient drivers was a bit challenging, but the MCE setup itself was pretty smooth.

I have a very low tech MCE system - analog cable service, one tuner card and stereo speakers - but it works great for me. The interactive channel guide is fantastic and adds a great feature that you just don't get with analog cable. (I'm too cheap to pay extra for a digital package.) One tuner card is fine for me - if the MCE box is recordering a show, I can still watch live TV thru my TV's tuner. I also bought the Microsoft remote control and it works great.

I can't remember the last time I channel surfed and just watched crap! Now my wife and I watch what we want when we want it. (Where have I heard that before?) I also have my music collection and photographs on there too.

Here are my biggest complaints about the system:
- I now have fan noise in my living room. (Not Microsoft's fault really, although if they didn't make this product then I wouldn't.)
- When I'm watching live TV and I press Stop, I'd like it to stop buffering to give my computer a break - that way it will cool down a bit and the fan will be quieter.
- I'd like to be able to access more utilities thru MCE, like defrag which is absolutely necessary for the health of the system.
- I've never had any luck with the built in DVD recording, although I'll admit I haven't tried to hard.

Now for a happy story: I was at a friend's place for dinner on a Saturday night two weeks ago when I realized it would be great to veg on the couch Sunday morning and watch the hockey game (that's right... I'm one of your retarded cousins ;) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10494137/), but I forgot to schedule a recording. I asked to the host's computer, logged on to tv.msn.com, and recorded it!

Now for something not quite as positive: Sunday morning, I vegged on the couch and watched my team lose... again. But still, remote recording rawks!

Anyway, once this system is set up, I guarantee that the non-techy people in your house will not only be able to use it, but will probably really like it.
December 21, 2005 10:07 PM
 

Brenda said:

...then...why is MS pushin' the WMC edition so hard...difficult to find a company that will install Home as the default anymore...everything is WMC now...I know MS will be phasing out Home, but, jeez!
January 19, 2006 5:02 PM
 

Zippy said:

Does anyone have a link on how to have the WMC PC and xbox 360 communicate? MS tech support just sucks now (online and on the phone) they want me to call the manufacturer of my router, but the manufacturer wants to charge me 50 bucks just to talk with them (then I have to call ms again I was told by the ms rep). Best Buy Geek Squad can come over to my house and install it all for a mere 160 bucks.
You guys are MS employees? Anyone Management, you might want to change the hold music. You sure have one sick sense of humor, I so want to hear some dude sing and moan about how “I am so beautiful.”
January 31, 2006 10:34 PM
 

John Muller said:

I agree with one major point here, and that's the horror of HP.

I recently helped a friend install an HP Printer; the full 'driver' package installation was over 800 megabytes.

Another tip for Windows XP MCE installation, is not to use the very latest drivers, but use the latest Microsoft labs certified ones.
August 8, 2006 11:05 PM
 

TrackBack said:

Watch the 360 Dashboard
December 16, 2005 5:33 AM
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