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Utterly Humbled

[Note: This is a totally personal post. I don’t expect many people to be interested. I’m posting it because I feel like writing about it. That’s all.]

I got not-dumped tonight by a girl I was in a not-relationship with.

That’s what we called the thing we weren’t in: our “not-relationship”.

And, instead of feeling not-hurt, which is what I expected with all these other “not-“ terms going around, I actually felt quite hurt.

You know that whole “six months of monk” thing I’ve talked about? Where I was planning on being single for six months? Yeah. That thing.

I haven’t been very faithful to my initial goal. In fact, I’ve broken with it several times. Nothing that ever developed into a full relationship, but little things here and there that your average monk would get paddled for were he to do the things I’ve done.

Those weeks when I haven’t posted? Or when posts have been light? Yeah. That was me not being a monk. I haven’t written about anything about it because I decided that I wanted to keep my personal life personal.

But this girl was different. I don’t believe that I’ll ever meet the “perfect person,” but some people come so much closer to ideal than others, and she was the closest so far. Unfortunately, it only lasted a month. A bloody month.

It started with a comment that turned into banter that turned into conversation that turned into a talk over coffee that turned into a talk over a movie that turned into…

A not-relationship.

The problem? As she let me know the next morning, she had a boyfriend. He lives in England. He’s nice. She likes him.

I understood. I figured our little thing was over like the twenty-four hour flu and that I’d probably never see her again. I was disappointed, but the situation was weird, and I understood.

Contrary to what I expected, though, we talked about it and continued not-seeing each other. And things got interesting. And then I totally fell for her.

For many reasons…

She doesn’t care about my blog. She doesn’t care about my job. She doesn’t care about money. She doesn’t care about my car. She doesn’t care if I’ve been published, in what, or been on TV.

All she cared about was being around me. It was… a first. I didn’t have to prove myself. She just liked me. Not for what I have, or what I’ve done, but just for who I am. And I liked her for the same reason. It was a beautiful thing.

She has self-respect – real self-respect. And a backbone thick as a lamp-post. She didn’t put up with any of my diva crap. She put me in my place when I deserved it. It was exactly what I needed.

As things progressed, I naturally felt closer to her. I fell for her. I looked forward to every minute I could get from her. My work schedule was hectic this week, so I was only able to get an hour or two here and there, but it was enough to hold me over.

Then, as I was leaving for southern Oregon two days ago, she grabbed onto me. She told me not to go. I didn’t want to leave, but part of my deal with Microsoft is that I work when I’m supposed to work. So I left.

Before leaving, though, we made plans for her to spend the night at my place tonight. I was supposed to drive up from my event (two hours away), head to her place, and pick her up. It was all I could think about. That day. Yesterday. Today. That’s it.

And when I got to her place tonight, she was waiting for me, but she didn’t have any bags packed. She didn’t look like someone who was getting ready to go anywhere. And it was for a good reason.

She led me over to the couch, sat me down, and had a little talk with me about the English man. It turns out she’s still in love with him, but didn’t realize it until yesterday. She thought she was getting over him and that it was something that needed to end. She was wrong.

This is one of the reasons I loved being with her. She’s completely open and honest. She doesn’t hide anything, and she tells me what she’s thinking when she’s thinking it. Instead of taking the easy way out by delaying as long as possible having to tell me about how she felt about him, she told me immediately. When you care about someone, as she does me, it isn’t easy to say something like, “Sorry, but… you’re out of the picture.” I’ve had to say it to people, and even when you know it’s the right thing, it bloody hurts.

Which is what I did when she told me. I bloody hurt.

I went home. And sobbed. Just completely broke down and sobbed. It wasn’t so much that I was attached to the not-relationship we didn’t have, but that I was thinking about all the potential there was between us that wouldn’t be realized. She’s a genuinely good person. The fact that she was so quick to tell me exactly what was going on just makes me respect her that much more.

In the middle of my sobbing, though, I had a nice moment. My sister was in town this week, and she told me that she thought I was completely soulless and lacking in depth or caring for other people – that I had lost touch. Oddly, a few other people told me more or less the same thing this week. It was totally Dickens, like I had spent a really long week with those god damned ghosts, showing me what an ass I can be.

When my sister told me I was soulless, I didn’t have an argument. It made for a pretty uncomfortable moment. I didn’t want to agree with her, but no words were coming to mind with which to defend myself. It was more or less the same with the other people who approached me this week.

That’s why I had my nice moment while sobbing. I realized why I was sobbing, and that I was sobbing. It was a clear indication that I’m not soulless. I care about other people. Right now, it’s Her, and in no small amount, and I sobbed tonight for everything that didn’t have a chance to happen between us.

Which, in a roundabout way, is good. I’m human, yo. I have feelings and care about things. I don’t care that I was not-dumped by the girl I was in a not-relationship with. What I care about is that I’m not going to have her company anymore, and that’s a huge loss to me. I sobbed for that loss.

And now I have a way to respond to my sister.

Published Friday, June 23, 2006 6:11 AM by Rory

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Comments

 

Anonymous said:

Bet you wish you'd stayed in Eugene and gone drinking, mister. Maybe next time.

Oh, and sorry.
June 23, 2006 6:45 AM
 

punky said:

[Note: Not to inflate your head, but I believe pretty much all your readers care]

Write a poem. Or read one. Whichever you prefer. As you'll know, poems can be great emotional vehicles. In fact, let me share one of Whitman's with you, that just fell into my head after reading your post.

Are you the new person drawn toward me?
To begin with take warning, I am surely far different from what you suppose;
Do you suppose you will find in me your ideal?
Do you think it so easy to have me become your lover?
Do you think the friendship of me would be unalloy'd satisfaction?
Do you think I am trusty and faithful?
Do you see no further than this facade, this smooth and tolerant
manner of me?
Do you suppose yourself advancing on real ground toward a real heroic man?
Have you no thought O dreamer that it may be all maya, illusion?
June 23, 2006 7:54 AM
 

Rory said:

punky -

It's funny - those were practically all the thoughts I had while she and I were not-together (except that I heard them in my head as questions coming from *her*).

But, seriously, it's the same damned list.

Right down to the last one. But I really trust her, and I trust my instinct here. I usually don't, but her openness won me over.
June 23, 2006 8:08 AM
 

punky said:

Rory:

Yeah, I kinda figured that might be a problem, and obviously that's where the hurting comes from. Still, you might take some comfort in just knowing that people like her exist - and like you say, that you have enough soul in you to recognize and mourn the loss.

(More Whitman? Google "Out of the rolling ocean, the crowd")
June 23, 2006 8:34 AM
 

Martin said:

Hey buddy

Why you think for that gil with hom you are not in arelation and that too in midnight!! Are you crazy?

Have you ever tried to know what made your relatioship a past? If she was too good go and get her back!!

All the best as i can understand the pain of being hurted in any relationship....
June 23, 2006 11:15 AM
 

Joshuawilson said:

Moral of the story.....
"One always falls in love and never rise" and love is blind, hence prooved.
June 23, 2006 12:00 PM
 

hyphenistic said:

This may sound cheesy but give her some space and, if it's meant to be, she'll come back to you. It worked for me. My wife and I have been together for over 5 years since I let her go and we've got 3 wonderful children to show for it. Best of luck to you.
June 23, 2006 12:37 PM
 

Cliff said:

Rory,

First of all, with all due respect, you got played! Get over it and stop being so dramatic. When a woman dates someone while she has someone else that she's thinking of splitting up with it only means one thing. Non-trustworthy! I know you think the world of her because of your brief 1 month non-relationship but c'mon! How much do you really know about her? How wonderful could she have been if she was willing to juggle two non-relationships? Remember, new relationships always seem like gold especially after a failed one ends. You were blinded by everything you went through and everything you hoped she would be. This new woman could have slaughtered twelve people and molested a cow prior to meeting you and you would have probably accepted any B.S. explanation and thought the same of her.

You feel hurt because you think you lost a shot at real love. Real love evolves over time not spontaneously over coffee and a movie and a few seemingly nice gestures. I garauntee that she wasn't the right person for you only because of the way the relationship started, in the absence of trust. You think that was noble, her way of telling you she wasn't over her old boyfriend? That was dirt easy for her because she wasn't all that into you. You were a fling and nothing more. Think about this. If she really was big on you she would have had a hell of a time telling you that she had to go back to her boyfriend. She also would have had a damned good reason to go back. Something like, "he's the only bone marrow match to treat my lukemia!" You can't make gold from dust and you can never start a trusting relationship from one born completely outside of trust. Sorry to break it to you so rough man, but someone has to be real here...
June 23, 2006 1:13 PM
 

nobody said:

That's not her real name is it? Because you're telling the whole world that she had an affair.
June 23, 2006 1:26 PM
 

Cliff said:

One other thing...

If y'all would've continued your non-relationship where would it go? You would probably have a couple of non-flings that would lead to a non-marraige and result in a couple of non-children that would probably not be yours. Then you'd go to a non-judge and try to get your non-commitment not-annulled and sit around afterwards not feeling sorry about the not-smart decisions you didn't make. (Wait a minute, I'm losing track here, a double negative equals a positive while a triple negative equals... uh... not-smart thing you didn't do... means you did do something smart but it ends with didn't so... No! Wait, you don't feel sorry so your dumb anyways... but it was still a smart thing and... aah, the hell with it! You get the point, right?)

I got mad love for ya' Rory. Leave dem tricks alone and return to monk's temple! If you get into another non-fling make sure it's with someone who not-has a not-man. (Or is that the same as someone who does-has a do-man? Am I talking crap or what?) Don't wear your heart on your sleeve, and take it sloooow. Wait a year or twelve before getting all heavy. That's my advice. It's easier said than done that's why I'm saying it and not doing it...
June 23, 2006 1:31 PM
 

Chris Wallace said:

What is it they say...

Better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
June 23, 2006 1:34 PM
 

Chris said:

>My sister was in town this week, and she told me that she thought I was completely soulless and lacking in depth or caring for other people – that I had lost touch.

I don't care who they are, if you have people in your life telling you this shit, then you need to have as little exposure to them as possible. Anyone exposed to this vitriolic crap is bound to have issues. I know this is family, I have a brother and sister who are "less than supportive" and I see them 2x a year and I am much the happier for it. Sad, but true. Get the clutter out of the closet.

Chris
June 23, 2006 1:50 PM
 

Eric said:

Soulless?? no, you just realize that 99% of the people in the world are dumb dicks and you don't need that crap. I care for those who care for me and leave it at that. I hope you can find that person that you care for and that cares for you.. and that it lasts awhile longer.
June 23, 2006 2:34 PM
 

Clock Puncher said:

Cliff has it pretty much dialed in.

Even if a girl is completely open, if she has boyfriend and is having non-sex with you, then she would do the same to you if she was your girlfriend. I doubt highly that she informed the english man of your existence.

Long distance relationships are very lonely, it's an easy way for one to say that you are in relationship without actually having to be in a realtionship. She was lonely, and you filled a need. I would wager that she has a hard time with real relationships (thus, her boyfriend is in a different country) and when you started to move towards a relationship, she cut it off. Feelings don't change in one day. To go from wanting to see you 2 days ago, to telling you it's over without a major change, well, it's BS. Boyfriend or not, she has issues with commitment.

Your better off to move on and spread you seed else where.

I have an hour minimum and I charge $125 an hour. Feel free to send me a check..
June 23, 2006 3:02 PM
 

Justice~! said:

Okay.


I think the main message I got from this post is that it is prime
*MACKING*
*TIME*~!

for you, Rory.

Maybe you got played. Maybe you didn't get played. She was a tortured soul - *you're* a tortured soul. But *CHICKS DIG* the tortured soul, Rory!!

Surely, Portland cannot be *so* bereft of attractive, intelligent, and decent women looking for an angsting man. And if they are, you need to come down to Edmonton, AB, Canada and a brother will hook you *up*!! We will hit the clubs - everyone knowws there's no hotter group of guys for the ladies than a bunch of software developers!!!

If I was going to make an actual point here there are tons of fish in the sea - don't waste your time on the radiation-infested ones, buddy.

June 23, 2006 3:26 PM
 

Charles said:

Dude, stop being such a pussy.
June 23, 2006 3:59 PM
 

Charles said:

Man up and act like you got a pair.
June 23, 2006 4:00 PM
 

nathan said:

Re:charles

I've never understood how a guy falling for a girl and being hurt over a loss is being a pussy. those two comments are probably the most inane i've read in a while.

Re: Rory

I hate to agree with most people here, but I doubt she was trustworthy. Remember: the best liars tell truth more frequently than lies - and in thier lies they tell mostly truth. this gives them the cloak of veracity while at their core they can continue deciet.

June 23, 2006 4:16 PM
 

Someone Who Knows You said:

I agree with Chris on:

"...if you have people in your life telling you this shit, then you need to have as little exposure to them as possible."

I understand some family members communicate through hurt, but the need to do this reflects more about the speaker than the recipient.

"...soulless" and "lacking in depth or caring for people..."

People who *know* you understand how bogus this statement is. What *is* true is you've been BEHAVING inconsiderately, inadvertently stepping on a few more people than usual lately. There is a distinction, however, between "acting" soulless and "being" soulless. A real friend with your best intentions in mind will recognize and present it as such.

So...your sister either doesn't know you very well or is deliberately trying to make you feel bad for some reason of her own.

Or...she really thinks she's helping you and this is her notion of how to go about it. Then again, maybe she's taking out some of her own aggression...and maybe it's a little of everything.

Family.
June 23, 2006 4:20 PM
 

Andy said:

Ouch that sucks. I won't pass judgement on the girl, you, or the relationship because it isn't my place. But as a friend I'm sorry you got hurt regardless of why or how. If you ever want to take your mind off it and navel gaze or whatever hit me up with an e-mail and we can talk shop, navel gaze drink beer or whatever strikes your fancy.

As far as what your sister said, come on everyone who knows you knows that isn't true.
June 23, 2006 5:15 PM
 

Rory said:

TO THE PEOPLE WHO SUGGEST SHE'S UNTRUSTWORTHY -

I wasn't exactly in the clearest state of mind when I wrote this last night. Her boyfriend lives in England, and they agreed that they could have an open situation while apart. She hadn't taken advantage of it yet, though.

Cliff said this:

"If she really was big on you she would have had a hell of a time telling you that she had to go back to her boyfriend."

First off, she's *very* open about things. You'll just have to trust me on that.

Also, I left out the part of the story where she fumbled while trying to find a reason to break up - she listed a bunch of things that were inconsequential - that wouldn't have made any real difference. I know her well enough to know that there was something she wanted to say, but wasn't saying it. It actually took a lot of back and forth to get this "I still love the guy" bit out of her.

I wasn't played - she told me from the very beginning that this might happen, that she hadn't intended to get into a relationship with me, and that it could all change.

It's just that, three days ago, she was very pro-Rory. But then she had a conversation with the guy that somehow changed her mind about things. So she's back.

She had also told him about *me* - and there's quite a bit more to that side of the story, but it wasn't what I wanted to say in the post.

She's going to go see him from July 19th until the 31st. Then she'll be back in Portland. If she were playing me, I expect she would have drawn it out a little longer. Instead, she cut it off as soon as she realized what she wanted.

There are many very, very, very bad people out there. She isn't one of them. I was aware of the risks the entire time. It does not, however, make it hurt any less.
June 23, 2006 5:42 PM
 

Rory said:

Dear Charles -

"Man up and act like you got a pair."

You're a cock.
June 23, 2006 5:42 PM
 

ariel said:

I knew you had a soul, and this post just proves it.

She doesn't know what she's missing.
June 23, 2006 5:49 PM
 

Jeremy Brayton said:

Cliff nailed it. Being a cheatah before, and having been cheated on it definitely falls into that pattern. People say once a cheater always a cheat, but it's not quite 100% true (though it's very difficult to get the thoughts out of your noggin (sorry if my gf ever finds this)). She may be completely honest and truthful but the pattern definitely exists and it’s usually easier for someone outside of the equation to notice.

I also agree with Chris. I've come to realize that family is nothing more than strangers that know how to cut deep. For some people a relationship where family says you’re "soulless" is just a cute back and forth where you trade insults and bond in your moments of pain. It takes a certain level of dysfunction I know all too well, so the notion that you have to be far away from these types of people totally depends on the situation. To some families, those are bonding moments however masochistic they may be.

Personally, I don't accept that kind of shit from anyone. I know way too many secrets about my family to take any words to heart when they're condescending. There's a more positive way of saying something like that such as "I've noticed you seem distant, is something wrong? Can I help?" but coming from YOUR sister it may seem very weird. Everyone in the world can criticize something but until they offer ideas of improvement it's nothing more than diarrhea of the mouth. No sane person wants to hear that shit in the right state of mind so don’t you dare try to take advantage of a bad situation to slip in a nugget of bullshit. That, sir, is shallow and pedantic.
June 23, 2006 5:52 PM
 

Rory said:

Woman -

"So...your sister either doesn't know you very well or is deliberately trying to make you feel bad for some reason of her own. Or...she really thinks she's helping you and this is her notion of how to go about it. Then again, maybe she's taking out some of her own aggression...and maybe it's a little of everything."

She's definitely trying to help. She thinks I've gone off the deep end over the past couple years.

While there's a little truth to that, what's *really* happened is I've stopped being afraid of being myself. We can all thank the blog, Carl Franklin, and Microsoft for that.

But, I have no intention of distancing myself from her. I *need* some sobering talk like what I get from her. And you, I might add. And George. And others.

There's a line from a U2 song that describes this all very well, but I'm not going to write it out because this post is already too... I don't know. Personal. Making-me-vulnerable.

I was going to email it to you after our last chat anyway. Maybe I'll still go do that...
June 23, 2006 5:55 PM
 

Rory said:

Jeremy -

"Cliff nailed it. Being a cheatah before, and having been cheated on it definitely falls into that pattern."

I mentioned it a few comments back, but, as long as he's in England, their relationship is "open". She just wound up in this situation she didn't expect to get into. And then she cut it off when she realized it wasn't what she really wanted.

I understand the whole cheating thing. Oddly enough, in spite of my good looks, charm, wit, many talents, and a bunch of other crap, I've enjoyed my fair share of the female population, and I've learned a few things along the way.

This girl wasn't cheating. She was confused, and then she got her head on straight.

I didn't tell the whole story in the post. There's more to it. You just have to trust me on this - in many ways, even though I'm feeling incredibly hurt right now, she's still one of the "better" people I've ever met. That's why I'm so bloody wrecked.
June 23, 2006 5:59 PM
 

Rory said:

Jeremy -

I should add that I've actually been there, in the room, when she's been talking to him. And he definitely knew about me. There's no question there.

It wasn't cheating - it was just something that was fantastic until it went horribly wrong.
June 23, 2006 6:00 PM
 

Rory said:

ariel -

"I knew you had a soul, and this post just proves it."

Well, thank you :)

That beats Charles' comments by quite a bit.

"She doesn't know what she's missing."

She does, actually: her boyfriend. She decided.
June 23, 2006 6:01 PM
 

Jeremy Brayton said:

By the time I click submit Rory posts a response to basically negate half of what I said. Great. Each situation and person is different but the pattern is still there so it would be foolish to pretend it doesn't exist. None of us have 100% of the story so I don't think any manner of convincing could change our mind or yours. It's one of those "you had to be there" moments I think. Those of us that recognize the pattern just want to make sure you have everything covered, realizing it's still your decision to feel however you feel.

What's sad is I just realized Charles is exactly what I said shouldn't happen. You've effectively wasted Rory's time AND yours by contributing NOTHING to the situation. The only reasonable explaination I have for people that insist on being that stupid is that posting something like that somehow makes them feel better. That's the only logical explaination I have for people that do that but there's is also another logical explaination: insanity. Calling Rory a pussy and expecting anything other than his reply is the very definition of insanity.

My world has just been turned upside down. Thanks. I've just realized that what I thought was pure stupidity is actually insanity by it's definition. So why the hell aren't these people in padded rooms? I suppose there isn't enough institutions to contain this epidemic. I think I'll go crawl back under my rock now.
June 23, 2006 6:16 PM
 

Jeremy Brayton said:

*Pulls foot out of mouth*. I used to approach relationships as a monkey in a tree, never letting go of one branch until I had a FIRM GRASP on the next. If I've fallen down a manhole in the middle of the street I feel it's my obligation to alert anyone heading in that direction, even if they're smart enough to avoid it. I may feel like a retard for acting like your mother but I'd feel even worse if I had said nothing.

I should just quit while I'm behind. It sucks, you're hurt, and there's basically nothing I can do about it. Friends wonder why I say nothing when they come to me with similar issues. It's not that I don't care it's that I really can't do anything to help so the tendency is to do nothing, which makes me look like an even bigger prick.
June 23, 2006 6:43 PM
 

Rory said:

Jeremy -

"I should just quit while I'm behind."

I posted this - it's not like I didn't expect a few comments. What people choose to write is their business. Whether I agree or not is mine.

But it doesn't bother me at all - I can totally understand why, not knowing her, people would look at what I wrote and draw certain conclusions.
June 23, 2006 6:49 PM
 

Ted said:

Rory:

OK, I'll finally comment on your freakin' blog that I'm so addicted to it's disgusting. RSS Feed CLICK. RSS update CLICK. DAMN.

Regarding perfect person (and I did read the whole post, and I'm not responding to the rest of it, just this one paragraph, i know, deal.).

You are so right: you won't find "perfect person". It may sound like total crap, and you may or may not do this, but make a freakin' list. You've dated enough, you know what you like and don't like. Write it down. I saw your start menu dude, you've got all kinds of writing crap in there. Write down your list of what you want from any given potential partner/non-partner person or whatever. I found it was a highly effective way parsing out who not to spend wasted time with.

Mine had both petty and serious stuff on there but it's weighted appropriately.

For example:

Likes garlic.
Not high maintenance.
Has a soul.
Doesn't mind if I don't (j/k).
Calls me on my crap.
Doesn't make me shave my chest.
Brews beer in spare time.
Gamer.
Gives me space.
etc.

(That's not really my list btw, I'm just providing some possibilities).

That way, the second random candidate shows up and says "i don't like the way I smell after I eat garlic", you know what to do. BOOT.

I'm not saying you're gonna find perfect person this way, but have a tolerance. Say 70-85% is good. 95%+ is out there, trust me, but you're not getting any younger. I mean how long are you gonna wait around, right?

This will free up more time for monking. I monked. Monking is good for you, good for your soul, and good for her, whomever she is.

JM2C
June 23, 2006 7:01 PM
 

Ian said:

"You're a cock. "

The only part of this post that made me laugh out loud.

sorry you're hurting bud - hope it fades as fast as you fell, or at least a decent factor of.
June 23, 2006 7:09 PM
 

Ian said:

On the upside, at least you can take heart in the fact that she chose a guy from England over you.
I mean, he could have been from anywhere which would have sucked, but from being from England you had to kind of expect it right?

I mean, we're pretty terrific. We're not the kind of guys that are easily bested. Not us. You don't see guys from England being beated by, oh I don't know, guys from Ghana say?

You didn't really stand a chance mate. Despite your wit,charm,good looks and other talents we have fish and chips and steak and kidney pies. That kind of combo is pretty unbeatable.
June 23, 2006 7:17 PM
 

Rory said:

Ian -

"You didn't really stand a chance mate. Despite your wit,charm,good looks and other talents we have fish and chips and steak and kidney pies. That kind of combo is pretty unbeatable."

Thanks for cheering me up :)
June 23, 2006 7:32 PM
 

Michael Leung said:

Hey dawg.

I just wanted to show some support, and let you know I feel for you. Things often don't go as expected in matters of the heart, and it's a fucking shame.

At the risk of sounding totally cliche, you know how to contact me if you want to talk.

Hang in there bro.
June 23, 2006 7:38 PM
 

Kev In PDX said:

Sorry to hear about this Rory! You still manage to crack me up even while I am empathizing with your pain.

Keep your not-chin up...

I wish you the best of luck...

Take care! Don't go blind from all this not-stress!

June 23, 2006 8:09 PM
 

Cliff said:

Uh-uh... Rory, c'mon man! You're making excuses for something that really isn't all that deep. First of all, if you didn't get played then what's up with all the hurt feelings. Trust me on this one cuz, what you had with her was not that deep. I'm not saying that she's a bad person. (I'm not saying she's a good person either.) I'm just saying she's the wrong person to catch feelings over. Head screwed on straight or not there was nothing there. What you're feeling is the loss of a possible glimmer of hope at find Mrs. Right. I assure you she was not Mrs. Right. I've been down the same road, dating someone who had a boyfriend and being played. My situation dragged out a lot longer. I made the same excuses, and heard all the same drama about I'm confused and all. Yada, yada. A real Mrs. Right will come along when you're not looking for her. (That's why I asked you to come back to Monk's temple.) Right now you're on the prowl, whether you admit it or not. You want to fill that void that was left by your ex. That's where your pain stems from. Once you get your act together you'll be beating the women off with sticks. (I'm not denying the chick magnet that you are now, I'm just exposing that the magnet needs to recharge so it call attract the right chicks.) As a matter of fact, you need to be beating the women off of you. Love doesn't come in a month or two. Don't get your hurt confused.

When I first met my wife (who I've been with for about nine years) I was on the rebound from a breakup. (I was being played but didn't want to admit it.) It took months before we actually got together and by that time I had finally stopped persuing her and all women. We hooked up not because I was chasing her but because I stopped chasing her. It was real because at the time I had made the internal decision that I didn't need a woman. (I had just made the decision too.) Our first date was humble. I wasn't trying to get involved at all. I was actually trying to watch Tyson bite Holyfield's ear off that day. I digress.

Your first step to feeling better is realizing that there's nothing to be upset about in the first place. (Again, easier said than done.) Your first step to meeting Mrs. Blythe is to stop looking for her. It doesn't matter if you lie to us here, just stop lying to yourself.

It's not about trashing the new girl, (I'm going to trash her anywayz.) so stop defending her. She could be mother of Christ it doesn't matter. She's not right for you. She was definitely not that deep into you. You gave her what she needs and now she's ready to move on. If she really is all that confused and even tries to come back to you then that speaks something to her character. Real love doesn't switch on and off. There's no such thing as an open relationship. Would you really want to be involved with someone who believed in "open relationships"? There is nothing nice about that. Also,real relatiohsips aren't that complicated starting out. They get complicated over time.

Let's draw an analogy. "I'm going to be honest with you. I'm sorry that I pissed all over your XBox360. I did it while you were writing your rebuttal on Neopoleon.com and I'm being up front and telling you right after I took my wiz even as I knew you would return play it afterwards." I'm being honest right? I haven't toyed with your emotions because, hey I told you I had a weak bladder when you let me in your house. Also where I come from it's considered a sign of gratitude to pee on others prized possesions. We had fun playing the XBox but now I have to go see my neighbor and take a dump on his Dell XPS.

That girl wizzed all over your heart and got you so hung up that you praise her for doing so. "Thank you, Cliff for peeing there. Take this tissue cuz you got some on your sneakers!" You're a smart man Rory. Don't let the girl make you look foolish.
June 23, 2006 8:17 PM
 

Tony said:

Man Rory,

It's really not that hard to see what's goign on.

You continue to defend her on this post. If she did nothing wrong, then there is no reason to defend her.
You posted your feelings and your side of the story, and we have inturpeted it in our own way.

1st - Her story with the english guy is cop out. No matter what is said, he went to England, she did not. One of them (or both) would have had to
instigate the open relationship theory. Which ever one did, is the one who wanted to be free while having the security of the other still being there
"in case". My guess is it was him. She really loves him and would do anyhting to make him happy. The plan really worked in his favor until (enter Rory)
another man bacame a threat to his securety. Now, the open relationship is threatened and he wants it closed. She complys and Rory looses.

She may have had a hard time choosing between you 2. But my money is on the fact that it is not over between you two.

A relationship is not something that you deifne as open or closed. It is defined by your feelings for one another. If you are truly happy with a person,
and that person is truly happy with you, then you both would not feel a need to open a relationship. You open a relationship becasue you are not
completely happy and you want to see if something else make you happy. It becomes open becasue neither one is commited to being together, or ending it.
You make a decision to be with a person or you make descion to not be with a person. Going back and forth between is on game playing.


If she was really in a realtionship, then you 2 would not have happened. Plain and simple. She was exploring while she had the security of English guy.
It is still my opinion that she has commitment issues and this may never change.

It was fun, it hurts that it is over, and it is a hell of a lot better that it ended now.

Good luck Rory
June 23, 2006 8:32 PM
 

all or nothing said:

first off, i'm sure all these people who have decided you got worked over - they all have perfect relationships, right?

i say GOOD for you for feeling. the joy part and the sad part
maybe she is the one, maybe not
but you're feeling
and that is the most important part of this equation
if you turn the sad off, you turn the happy off too - you dont get to filter only the uncomfortable feelings

the only way out is through

slap some cucumber slices on those puffy eyes and then cuddle up to your parasite pals




June 23, 2006 9:29 PM
 

Rory said:

Cliff -

"Uh-uh... Rory, c'mon man! You're making excuses for something that really isn't all that deep. First of all, if you didn't get played then what's up with all the hurt feelings."

The hurt feelings are a natural response to the situation. You can be hurt without being played.

Or at least I can.

"Trust me on this one cuz, what you had with her was not that deep."

1. You don't know her

2. You don't know me

3. You don't understand the first thing about what went on between us - that much is clear from all your assumptions

4. What bothers me most isn't the loss of what we had, but rather the *potential* that was there

"As a matter of fact, you need to be beating the women off of you. Love doesn't come in a month or two. Don't get your hurt confused."

I *know*.

See, this is really difficult because:

1. You're reading into my post by applying your own experiences and making the mistake of thinking that they're mine, too

2. You don't know her - you just have to trust me (or not - but until you actually get to know this girl - *this* one - don't make any assumptions)

3. You aren't listening - I've been through all the bloody games - I've been around the block a few times (I lost my virginity to a friend's older sister when I was eleven - I'm not exactly new to dealing with women)

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your argument because it's based entirely on *your own* experiences. It's understandable that, given whatever superficial similarities you've found, you think that my experience was the same as yours, but I can assure you: it wasn't.

When someone's shitty to me, I don't tolerate it. If this girl had really screwed me over, I would have known it, and I wouldn't be defending her now.

Plus, because I know her much better than I know you, and because I was actually *there* for the whole event, I'm going to continue to maintain my stance.

It was hard, and I've possibly missed out on something great, but part of what's so great about her is the way she handled the situation and the way it ended.

I don't think you'll come around to believing me, but that's that.
June 23, 2006 9:34 PM
 

Charles said:

Me:
"Don't be a pussy."
You:
"You're a cock."

Fuck you.

(j/k)
June 23, 2006 9:45 PM
 

Rory said:

Tony -

"It's really not that hard to see what's goign on."

Apparently, it *is*.

And that's understandable. I didn't post about everything that happened between us. I posted about a day. About how I was feeling at the time I was writing. It wasn't meant to be a historical retrospective on whatever I didn't have with her - it was, as I noted, a personal post that I didn't expect people to read.

"You continue to defend her on this post. If she did nothing wrong, then there is no reason to defend her."

I'm not defending her based on her actions - I'm defending her based on accusations made in here about her character.

If she were a "bad" person, I'd be right alongside those who believe her to be so.

But she isn't. And until she gives me a reason to believe otherwise (unlikely to happen - I turned down the "friendship" option, so we're not in touch), I'll defend her.

I could be wrong. I know that.

But I don't think I am.

"1st - Her story with the english guy is cop out. No matter what is said, he went to England, she did not."

She isn't in England because there's no way for her to work over there.

This is a problem they've been trying to work out.

Right now, they have it worked out so that they visit each other twice a year. I don't see that working, so they'll eventually have to make some big choices, but right now they're dealing with a tough situation.

Moving to another country for someone, regardless of how you feel about them, isn't something to take lightly. And, in this case, there are economic factors as well.

"A relationship is not something that you deifne as open or closed. It is defined by your feelings for one another."

I totally agree with that, and I think that was part of the confusion. She had never been in this position before, and I don't know that she understood how to handle it.

I don't know that many people would.

That was part of the problem.

"If she was really in a realtionship, then you 2 would not have happened. Plain and simple. She was exploring while she had the security of English guy."

She told me *up front* that she wasn't sure what was going on. That's one reason I'm not enjoying Cliff's commentary (but, then, like I've pointed out, he wasn't there and so couldn't have known about that).

She was clear about her position: that, given the physical distance, it *felt* like she wasn't really in a relationship, and that there were questions in her head about how sustainable the situation was. So she took a risk with me - and I with her.

And it blew up.

But that's OK, because she never misled me about anything. I'm sad - and I'm hurt - but not because of her. It's because I'm not going to get to find out what we could have been together.

That's it.
June 23, 2006 9:49 PM
 

Mike said:

Only when you aren't looking will you find it.
June 23, 2006 10:14 PM
 

Eric said:

Don't bother defending yourself rory, you know what occurred and just wanted some catharsis by writing it down. I wouldn't read any of these posts and just leave it be. People are apply their own feelings and experiences to your feelings and experiences which doesn't work. Everyone interprets their own reality. I hope you don't get caught up in a flame war here and just play some XBox and escape for awhile. Wish you the best. eric
June 23, 2006 10:21 PM
 

Tony said:

Hey man, I hope that it never came across as accusing her of deliberatly doing anything. Most of the accusation we made based on thought that she was not intenionally out to hurt any one. But she did.

When I stated that he moved to England, she did not. I wasn't refering to her decision to no follow him, but rather that they made choices together to put distance between them. This is a huge stress on any relationship. If you then open up that relationship to others, you are tearing it down even more.

Relationships are built on trust. You were attacted to her because she was open and honest with you, if not with herself, and that really attracted you to her. Where she is not being honest, is with what makes her happy. She goes with what is comfortable. These may seem like assumptions, but deep down, there are personality traits that are common among genders. People exist in patterns and they will often repeat the pattern over and over again no matter what.

The question then would be, if she is not moving to England, and he is not moving here, then how is their relationship going to be any different than it was?? If it is now closed, then she is going to feel that loneliness that comes from being thousands of miles away. Only now, if she seeks companionship, she will have to deal with felling of guilt.

In my opinion; they are either together, or not. If they are together, one of them should move now. If they are going to make excuses about money, life situation or anything else, then they don't really want to be together. Yes, it really is that easy. If it's not, then they are choosing to make it that way.

Kudos for passing on the friendship. Your hurt, you need to cut ties until you heal. Maybe later when you find Mrs Right, you can be friends.
June 23, 2006 11:10 PM
 

George said:

OH MY GOSH!

TextAmerica is going to start charging for their service!? I can't believe it Rory! You'd better get cracking and get those pictures moved somewhere else!

Wait what were we talking about?

Anytime Rory, anytime.

June 23, 2006 11:58 PM
 

Ian said:

"Moving to another country for someone, regardless of how you feel about them, isn't something to take lightly. And, in this case, there are economic factors as well. "

Now THAT I can empathise with.
Which probably didn't cheer you up either ;-) But I'll wish you a happier weekend and hope your close friends come round and hug you.
June 24, 2006 12:01 AM
 

Maggie Rhallal said:

Mostly guys speculating on a (non)relationship they never witnessed... oh this is a good idea. Your blog turned into Dear Abby... Hope you get over her soon, find strength in what remains behind... she's not worth all the ado.
June 24, 2006 3:47 AM
 

Cliff said:

Rory,

"Her boyfriend lives in England, and they agreed that they could have an open situation while apart."

I can't believe you bought that line. (People still use that one?) That ranks right up there with "I love you as a friend" and "It's not you it's me". I'm sorry but walking in hearing that nonsense should set off alarms. That line says it all. (I'm embarrased for both of us and I can't believe I'm still writing.) I make no assumptions from my own experiences (I was merely trying to relate). I don't have to know her or you. The playas change but the game stays the same. The sooner you realize that you didn't miss out on anything the sooner you can feel better.
June 24, 2006 11:34 AM
 

Rory said:

Cliff -

"I can't believe you bought that line."

I can't believe you still think you know more about the situation than I do.
June 24, 2006 3:24 PM
 

Steve said:

Way to shoot the haters down. Your life, you live it, thanks for sharing though.

Not that you need the advice of a non-blogging JAVA programmer, but I agree with whatever someone said way up the chain of this thing...do the monkish thing and keep cracking on the new stuff you're working on. Letting people go to do their thing usually works out pretty well. Crazy obsessive chasing behavior doesn't seem to go as well.

I believe that you (the generic 2nd-person) attract people to you that can teach you things. Like self-respecting women with strong backbones.

Crap advice and amorphic truth. Not even worth the bits it travels on, but sometimes a corny phrase sticks with you and distracts you long enough to move forward.
June 24, 2006 4:02 PM
 

Roberto J. Dohnert said:

Rory sory to hear that. Its happened to me and I know exactly what you are going through. You will find someone.
June 24, 2006 4:04 PM
 

Roberto J. Dohnert said:

What is it about women named Nicole and english dudes? Next time fake an english accent.
June 24, 2006 4:06 PM
 

Princess Jenn said:

Wow… You guys make women sound like we’re all a bunch of conniving, manipulative witches, who are just out to purposely screw you around. Which, based on some of the comments here, I could see that happening, but I don’t think that’s the case in Rory’s situation.

If she was playing games with him, she wouldn’t have been up front with him about the other guy. Period. I’m a woman. I know.

I hate to break it to you guys, but not everything in relationships is black and white. This situation just goes to show that there are a lot of grey areas that require a lot of hard decisions.

And from personal experience, this is an entirely plausible situation to be in. When Bil and I first got to together it was the same basic principle. I had a boyfriend who was on the road all the time and it was an ‘open’ relationship. Enter Bil. Each knew about the other one. There was no hiding anything. But there is a point where things come to a head and decisions have to be made. Luckily (or unluckily as the case may be) for Bil, I chose him. Does that mean I’m going to go out and cheat on him because of how the relationship started? Not on your life!!

Rory, I think you should keep the lines of communication open with her. Eventually this England thing is going to come to a head, and if you feel that strongly about her, make sure it you that’s there to comfort her.

And in the mean time, we’ve got the Stampede going on here in Calgary in a couple weeks, which means a lot of hot girls walking around in tight tops and daisy dukes looking for a good time… Feel free to come out and visit…
June 24, 2006 4:19 PM
 

Rory said:

Princess Jenn -

THANK YOU.

Oh, fucking christ, THANK YOU.

Sorry about the language and the caps, but I felt like I was getting dumber as I read some of the comments in here.

I kiss you:

::smack::

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

"And in the mean time, we’ve got the Stampede going on here in Calgary in a couple weeks, which means a lot of hot girls walking around in tight tops and daisy dukes looking for a good time… Feel free to come out and visit…"

I wish I could be satisfied by some hot girl in a tight top, but...

Well. You obviously read the post :|
June 24, 2006 6:17 PM
 

Justice~! said:

Jenn,

I think we both know Calgary *rarely* produces anyone of the hotness that the other major Albertan city* does. ;)

* No, I didn't mean Red Deer
June 24, 2006 8:44 PM
 

Princess Jenn said:

Justice

We don’t have to produce them. They all flock here because they know this is where the real party is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mile) ;)


Rory,

I understand that a cowgirl tart could never measure up to what you had, but it does make for a lovely diversion…
June 24, 2006 9:58 PM
 

hyphenistic said:

I think it's pretty fucking stupid for someone to take the position of knowing what everything in your post meant without even being there. There's only going to be two people that know what happened: you and her. Everyone else, like you said, will be looking at the situation (or what you've shared of it) from their own perspective. The only real option is to look at it from a completely unbiased perspective and accept all posibilities. Then you factor in the fact that you were there and you're not an idiot and I don't see how some people come up with all this other bullshit about you getting screwed over.

It's a crappy situation and although I've never been in those exact circumstances (technically no one has), I will still extend my condolences to you.

You've added a few more details in your comments that I find interesting. You've chosen not to be friends. I'm guessing that you went that route so you can hopefully let the wound heal and move on with life instead of keeping it open indefinitely. Princess Jenn had a good idea that you may want to give some serious thought and that is to keep in touch with her. You could be like Jim is to Pam in The Office. It can be a risky move since if she decides to stay with the other guy then you've felt more drug along. On the other hand, being in communication with both of you could cause her to do some more direct comparisons, realize the potential that you have, and return to your arms for good.

The most important thing in my opinion is that you follow her heart. There's an endless number of paths you could go down and you need to figure out which one is right for you. Hopefully it's the one that makes you the most happy.
June 24, 2006 10:28 PM
 

mattd said:

Get her back or die tryn. Never give up.
June 24, 2006 11:36 PM
 

Maggie Rhallal said:

Princess Jenn speaks the truth... People got hurt, but it all seems quite unintentional. It's up to you to make the best of what comes your way, even when it feels you'll never change whats going on.
*Destiny will keep you warm*
June 25, 2006 5:17 AM
 

Adam Kallio said:

i love u rory.
June 25, 2006 6:28 AM
 

Micah Dylan said:

Sometimes the shallow wounds hurt more than deep trauma. I know because I have a story so similar to yours that you have my guts tied in knots, man.

It started a year ago with an amazing girl. One month of truly blissful and beautiful moments together before far away boyfriend got back in her head. The most painful part was when she said it was OK for us to still hang out because we weren't really "exes". I'm her not-ex.

In hindsight losing the potential, a dream of what might have been, is different but no less painful than losing a "real" relationship. Losing a not-relationship is crushing to the spirit. It's disillusionment.

And then they claim that there wasn't an 'it' anyway. There was a not-relationship. So what do we do with the not-memories and the not-dreams and the ever haunting not-sex and the hole that is left by the not not-being together?

Ping me if you want some tips on how NOT to try to get her back in case you decide to go that route. I know at least ten things that won't work so I can save you some trial and error.

micah dot dylan at gmail
June 25, 2006 9:06 AM
 

Nobody said:

Hey, like everybody in the world - she took you for a test drive before deciding if she wanted to buy or not.

After a comparison the other guy won.

It sucks - but it's happened to every guy on the planet over 20.

Just keep repeating the following work loudly.

NEXT !!!!!!
June 25, 2006 5:15 PM
 

Rory said:

Joe ("Nobody") -

"Hey, like everybody in the world - she took you for a test drive before deciding if she wanted to buy or not."

Thanks for your speculation.

NEXT !!!!!!

(Note: I would never, ouside a situation such as this, use so many exclamation points - nor would I place a space between the punctuation and the punctuated - but this was a special occasion.)
June 25, 2006 5:56 PM
 

Nobody said:

!!!!! It's my signature :)

Anyway man - It really does happen to everyone.

I SO OFTEN made the mistake of spending time trying to change someone elses decision, second guessing my personal value, etc. etc. etc.

NEXT !!!!!! Was the only answer that ultimatly worked.

It's true with women, friends, jobs, teams, etc... Not to devalue relationships, but they gotta be 2 way.

You can't get to life's next gift while you're focused on it's LAST one.

.... as for all the pussy's that are telling you to "man up"..... fuck 'em - the world is full of guys who talk tough, almost none of them test out to actually be tough.

It's easy to stop feeling things.

Try to look at it this way....

Every relationship that is not you final one helps you add to two lists.

The one of attributes you desire - and the ones you want to avoid.

You just added to the first list.
June 25, 2006 6:22 PM
 

Rory said:

Joe -

It isn't that I don't think you could be right in a general sense - it's that this post clearly wasn't about the particulars of what happened. I described a month in the most general terms possible, and then the events of one night in a *slightly* more specific way.

I'm also just tired of people making assumptions about her and the situation.

"You can't get to life's next gift while you're focused on it's LAST one."

I somewhat agree, but I don't mind that. If you knew her, you'd understand why I'm not anxious to forget about her. Even under the circumstances, I'm just glad I even got the month I did. Unlike the normal way I have of dealing with things (remember when you told me to "take a valium" during our last argument? you were right on), I decided that I wanted to feel, in full, every last bit of loss and emotion there was to experience from this.

I'll move on, but not until I'm done thinking and feeling about this. Whether that's a week or six months is unimportant to me. She's really an unusual human being, and the time I spent with her was worth the mess.
June 25, 2006 9:08 PM
 

Nobody said:

It's tough.....

Many of your readers love you, you're hurt and it's natural for them to see it as all her fault. (It's good to be loved.)

Others (but not me :) ) are just bitter and often see the worst in the finer half of our species.

I think your right - and I can think you do both. (Relish the time you had, and move on.)

I'll tell you a story....... (It's the half that came AFTER the last time someone took me for a test drive and decided not to buy.)

My wife Jill and I started much the same way as you and your un-girlfriend.

We began in a light hearted way - both not quite compleatly severed from out last relationships.

We had what you describe as an un-relationship.

When someone from her recent past exuded his "inflewence", she dumped me.

There was no discussion to be had, she was doing what she needed to do.

Like your friend, she had not been dishonest with me and, in fact, told me how she felt only when she realized it herself.

For the first time in my life I just let it go. I told her that I understood, that I truely wanted her to be happy, and that I hoped one day we could become the friends that we started out as.

I didn't run out and start dating, and I didn't "take a valium" (.. and good for you, I think I've told you about where THAT got me.)

I went on with my life and had little dialog with her other than an occational email for many weeks to come.

After some time, the comefort of the "old thing" turned out to be less than she remembered, (and in her case the guilt he gave her became less overwhelming".)

Eventually she called.

We had dinner.

That was 8 years and 2 children ago.

Rory - it sucks to hurt - but there are times when it's good to revel in what you are missing.

You have amazing qualities - maybe she's "the one" and maybe "the one" still hasn't made her way to you.

Either way - there's some poor guy in the U.K. who now has to live up to you :)

I know that's too petty for you to feel satisfaction from - but I'll do it for you.

Perhaps this will one day be the catalist for your first great novel!

Joe
June 25, 2006 10:54 PM
 

Rory said:

Joe -

"Either way - there's some poor guy in the U.K. who now has to live up to you :)"

Whoah - no need to slam some guy we've never met. Honestly.

I trust this girl, and I told her much the same thing you told the one you met - that you wanted her to be happy (I've learned it's a lot easier to do that when someone's honest with you).

But this guy doesn't have anything to live up to - he's another human being, and one she cares for quite a bit. I don't know him, nor do I know much about him (he has a myspace profile which I visited once out of curiosity, but have since left alone), but she's with him for a reason.

It isn't a competition. I'm envious that there's someone who can just hang out and be himself while attracting someone like her, but I don't see it as a me vs. him thing.

I actually had a good long talk about this with Aydika the other night (I'm sure you remember her). She was talking about how you either want to be with someone, or you don't, but it isn't about choosing between people. It's about going with the one who just works for you.

From what I can tell, this guy in the UK "just works" for her.

"I know that's too petty for you to feel satisfaction from"

You got that right.

I don't want someone else to hurt or to feel threatened. That doesn't, oddly enough, make me feel good.

"Perhaps this will one day be the catalist for your first great novel!"

Actually already in the process right now of writing two god-awful novels with another author.

I don't want to write *great* novels. All the introspection and thought that has to go into them - no thanks.

These are just going to be funny pieces of shit.
June 26, 2006 12:02 AM
 

Chester said:

Hi, Rory. Here is another long-time-reader, never-before-poster.

I was going to add some $0.05 to the discussion about the girl's intentions and everything, but I believe you have got plenty of that right now.

Some of those posts are well-meaning (even a few of the rough posts), but none of it will change the facts (including the fact that she is with the English guy), and time will be your best relief. Not comic relief, but relief nevertheless.

So I am just writing (in poor English, but if I wrote in portuguese it would not help) to show some support. Everything is going to be all right. It wont't be easy or painless, but believe me, things will work themself out.

One more thing: soul-less people don't worry about the subject of having or not a soul. You do.

Take care.
June 26, 2006 6:09 AM
 

punky said:

Rory:

Presumably you know this, but still: don't take advice from bitter people(*). Don't even listen to them. You've got nothing to explain, no-one to answer to.

(*) But do take advice from me! ;-) Don't you just love making a category of people, excluding yourself from that category, and then making bold statements about how bad people of that category are (implicitly making yourself that much better)?
June 26, 2006 8:50 AM
 

Rory said:

punky -

"Presumably you know this, but still: don't take advice from bitter people(*). Don't even listen to them. You've got nothing to explain, no-one to answer to."

If this had just been about me, then I would have just told everybody to piss off.

But, it was also about Her, and I simply can't have people talking smack about this girl they've never met. Not acceptable.

You're right that I have no one to answer to, but I chose to make sure that my feelings about her, as well as her good nature, were stated clearly. She was kinder than kind to me and doesn't deserve a bunch of pricks talking about her as has happened in here.

"But do take advice from me! ;-) Don't you just love making a category of people, excluding yourself from that category, and then making bold statements about how bad people of that category are (implicitly making yourself that much better)?"

Well, yeah, but you're, like, my poetry-nerd friend now, so it works out.

I've also been reading Whitman again after you mentioned him, and I like him *much* better than I remember (having rejected him roughly thirteen years ago).

Nifty.
June 26, 2006 9:12 AM
 

punky said:

Rory:

"I simply can't have people talking smack about this girl they've never met"

Agreed. And it warms an old romantic's heart to hear that. Of course, the cynic in me will claim that your efforts to explain are futile, that some subset of pricks will still think "he got played", but that doesn't matter. As my shallow reading of the Myth of Sisyphus tells me, I shouldn't look for rewards outside the struggle itself. The point is that you're making an effort to correct what you see as wrong. To turn Whitmanesque: I salute you!

"I've also been reading Whitman again after you mentioned him"

Good for you! I'm glad you've had a chance to (re)discover him. I doubt it will make you a happier man, but I've found him to be a source of energy and truth, and that counts for something.
June 26, 2006 1:59 PM
 

Someone said:

So.... Wow.

All I can really say is that I've been there. Twice. And it sucks sooooooo much to be on the receiving end of that kind of rejection, mostly because I still really wanted to like the person who handed the full chamber pot of pain.

Thing is that even after about 14 years have passed, I'm still very fond of both of those people. Dunno if it would be wierd or not to sit down to lunch with them today, since I haven't seen 'em since, but there you are.

And, I got over it without raging fits of anger at the circumstance. Well, the second time. The first was more of a shock...

About the only criticism I'd offer is that that your post is a dang good piece of writing, which, if you moved your sister's criticisms to the beginning, and let the last sentence remain at the end, is as publishable as anything Maureen Dowd ever wrote. Moreso, since I can't stand Maureen Dowd, but I still laugh at your jokes.
June 26, 2006 4:34 PM
 

Rory said:

Someone -

"About the only criticism I'd offer is that that your post is a dang good piece of writing, which, if you moved your sister's criticisms to the beginning, and let the last sentence remain at the end..."

That's a good point.

I felt strange about leaving that sentence at the end since it wasn't the point of the post. Didn't occur to me at the time why.

But, then, when I wrote this post, I wasn't in a very "thinky" mode.

I'm glad you mentioned it, though, because I couldn't quite figure out what I didn't like about it...
June 26, 2006 4:41 PM
 

Anonymous said:

I was going to keep my mouth shut and not reply but there is so much wrong with everything worded here. For one thing, Rory needs to stop feeling like a loser. By that I mean his statements like "I missed out on what could have been" are complete rediculous and self destructive. "I missed out" is a way of saying "I lost something", which is a way of proclaiming yourself a loser. Rory didn't lose anything. He didn't miss out on love. He doesn't even know the girl enough to love her. He definitely doesn't understand love. He was in lust. While he makes statements like "you don't know what I went through" he ignores the fact that he himself didn't know what he was in for. He feels like he missed out on what seemed to be important for him today but he has no idea what it means for a woman to be perfectly matched to him. Simple things like "doesn't mind my blog", "can stand to be apart while I attend MSDN events", "Plays XBox 360 with me" are irrelevant in true relationships.

Everyone's talking lovely "go with your heart" stuff and nobody's addressing the issues of what the most important things are in a life long commitment. (Monogamy is one of the most important.) Rory, do you know what you're asking for? Do you know what it means to love a woman? Do you know what it's like to be married or even involved with the same woman for years. How well could this girl be matched for you? Let's ask some questions and find out. (You don't need to answer them here these are meant for you to get a handle on things.) Only if you two are in complete agreement with these questions does it possibly mean you missed something wonderful.

How many kids does she intend to have? If you don't think that's important wait until the arguements form when it's time to have them.

What is her stance on important issues like abortion? (What happens if you mistakenly conceive and one or both of you are not yet ready?) Could you stand to watch her go through an abortion? Would you support her if you didn't believe in it?

Are you two evenly yoked? (By that I mean are your religous beliefs or lack thereof inline with one another.) Even if she's not the curch going type, if she has any beleif in God it can intensify over time and easliy cause nasty problems. Complicate this issue with children and you got a recipe for disaster.

Have you met her parents? Has she met yours? Parents can tear a relationship apart just like Lou Ferrigno can tear the yellow pages. Can you imagine living with someone who hates your family? Can she?

How are you both at money management? Is she a spender or a saver? She may sound like she loves technology now but wait until the ring hits the finger. She'll go from smart phones and blackberrys to Coach bags and Gucci and I dare you to challenge her on any expendature.

That's only a small percentage of the issues that you need to be aware of when saying someone is worthy of going for the long haul with you. There are all kinds of other crazy nonsense that can pop up. (A history of rape which causes her to lash out at you uncontrollably, one of you can get disfigured causing the other to become distant. You might say you can handle these things today but you haven't lived it.) Beleive me, love is way deeper than a month spent with someone called confused. You have to able to love the stains in your woman's drawers to be able to stake such a claim. More important than that is what I eluded to ealier. Rory, you need to stop seeing her as "the perfect one" and feeling like you missed out. That elevates the importance of some unknown person (referr to the above questions if you still feel like you know her well) and shadows the relevance of what should be most important (you). It also speaks loudly at your level of self confidence believe it or not. I say that because you seem to believe that you don't deserve someone who is all about you. (Clearly the other woman isn't only about you or she would be with you now.) That self confidence needs to be developed prior to jumping into any relationship be it serious or just a fling or else you will definitely walk away just as hurt as you are now. You need to be able to strongly say and believe "she needs me" rather than "I want her".

The most disturbing part of the whole thing is how you, Rory, and others here seem to think it's ok for one person to be in an "open relationship". What the hell is an "open relationship"? I've seen open car doors, and open heart surgery. I've even seen our president respond to "open questioning". I've never seen an "open relationship". These things just don't exist. People bouncing from one relationship into another typically fail at both. Those that end in success, as someone above claims, are rare and more likely the result of either partner living in denial. (Not directed to and no offense meant to the above person, just pointing out how extremly uncommon that success is.) You can follow your heart and it can lead you into troublesome territory as in the case of millions of battered women around the world. People in disasterous relationships never admit or believe they live in disaster because that's such a hard pill to swallow. People who have been taken advantage of react the same for the same reasons. Don't fall victim to denial. See the situation for what it is. Could she have been truely in an "open relationship" and confused about what to do? It's possible but it's also possible that you could purchase a winning lottery ticket with a one dollar bill. Getting in deep with someone like her is always a gamble. The best advice you can take is to completely forget about her. Trying to chase her would definitely only complicate things for both of you and lead to unpleasant times. Even and especially if she was telling the truth about her other relationship.

My gut is that you want her for the "here and now" anyway. You're not really ready or trying to have a commitment yourself. (Answer the above questions to prove me right or wrong.) You need someone to help you over the hump of your ex. That's definitely sounds like a nice role for someone like Nicole to fill only that you would be using her instead of her using you. Your hurt comes from her dumping you before she got a chance to fulfill that role entirely. Even in this case it is best to leave her alone if you really care about her. (We don't use people we care about.) You see it's easy for someone who's in a serious relationship to reckognize a B.S. one because there are certain constants that are always prevalent. You got one person claiming to want something he doesn't understand. You got another person openly playing the field while dealing with the first person, using loose terms like "open relationship" and "I'm confused" and "things are complicated". In a true relationship you have only two people. And they understand the most minute details of one another. You never get this in a month or twelve. If you really want a real relationship be real with yourself. Stop selling yourself short. Put Rory first and never, ever, ever, get involved with someone who's involved. (Even partly involved.) You got lucky indeed. Let this be a lesson learned.
June 27, 2006 1:08 AM
 

Me said:

I'm sorry that you're sad about Nicole and whatever possibilities you saw with her (I never met her, but liked hearing from you that she has a strong sense of self-respect, which is always a good thing), but I'm sure you'll eventually get through the whole situation just fine.

I hope, anyway.

Nevertheless, I'm writing in the name of my own self-respect to remind you (and inform your readers) that there was a context for my comments about you seeming kinda soulless - in particular, we hadn't seen each other since Christmas but you spent 20 minutes yammering on about the Summer of Sleaze (per you, aka "Sauce"), cuddling with your boy toy, your $300 Gucci sunglasses, etc.

I love you (blech! eww! excuse me while I barf in my mouth!), but I was a little disappointed by the fact that I felt like you were "performing", rather than being yourself. Yeah, I was kind of annoyed and a little upset, hence the "soulless" comment, even though, duh, I know you're not. Sorry - but it does seem like you've reflected on the whole thing, which is as much as I could hope for.

However, the most disappointing part of my visit to PDX? That we didn't get to hang out more.

-Me
June 27, 2006 5:50 AM
 

punky said:

"":

""...I lost something", which is a way of proclaiming yourself a loser."

That's just wordplay. That doesn't make it true.
June 27, 2006 7:41 AM
 

Rory said:

Sister -

"your $300 Gucci sunglasses"

For the record, my shades are fucking awesome, and they were worth every penny.

That aside, you were right to have called me soulless, and it brought a lot of things into perspective. You weren't the only one to have either said or hinted at the same thing that week, either. It's just that your opinion of me is slightly more important than basically everybody else's on the face of the Earth.

When I "yammer on" about how awesome I am in front of you, it's because I grew up watching you accomplish one thing after another, while all I did was skip school, drink, and go surfing.

I used to seek your validation because I thought you were the coolest thing on the planet - but then I gave up seeking that validation and went straight for trying to out-cool you.

While I still want your approval, I think I've definitely out-cooled you.

That's what $300 shades get you.

Anyway, my interest in fashion is your fault entirely. This can be traced directly back to your return from Europe and my desire to steal your Italian shoulder-buttoned sweater.

I still really want that god damned sweater, and I'm thinking about making a trip to Italy just to get one.

Also to see statues and crap like that, but mainly for the sweater.

Navy blue with thin red horizontal stripes and buttons on the left shoulder.

The fucker even fit me. It was like I was supposed to have it.

You let me wear it to a party in August of 1997. That was the last I saw of it. Everybody thought I looked fabulous.

I think I'm getting a little off track here.

I love you, too, and I don't barf in my mouth when I say it. You're one of the most impressive people I've ever met in my life, and although I avoid saying it to your face, I'm very proud of you for everything that you've managed to accomplish.

This blog is probably even your fault somehow. Your achievements always made me feel like a loser dickface, and now I engage in superficial histrionics to garner the attention of strangers from around the world to fill in for the approval-hole left by our family, and other psych 101 reasons.

Worked pretty well, I guess.

I don't feel like a loser anymore.

And, thanks to my $300 Gucci shades, I don't look like one either.

Those shades rock, and you're just going to have to learn to deal with it.
June 27, 2006 8:01 AM
 

Rory said:

Punky -

"That's just wordplay. That doesn't make it true."

Speaking of wordplay, do you have an email address? I wrote something this morning that I thought you might find entertaining, but I don't think anybody else on the site would.

It's crappy and stupid, but still mildly amusing.

Wow. I can really sell things, eh?
June 27, 2006 8:02 AM
 

punky said:

Rory:

Fortunately, I'm a gullible buyer (telemarketing people love me almost as much as they love the elderly). I do have an email address - narren at online no.
June 27, 2006 8:22 AM
 

Justice~! said:

Whoever the person with no name who commented - I think he just changed *my* life! LOL, we need to keep this thread open for everyone's therapy!!
June 27, 2006 3:38 PM
 

Justice can't type good said:

That is, "Whoever the no-name person is who commented - I think they just changed my life". How embarassing...
June 27, 2006 3:39 PM
 

no-name please lend us ur wisdom said:

yah, s/he mentioned that were just a small percentage of issues, and I just found how profound they are. im hoping s/he posts some more about those issues. ^^
June 27, 2006 5:14 PM
 

karen said:

Hey Rory,
See what happens when you post something personal? Everyone and their mother decides to give their ridiculous input. I'm sure you realize this but all that matters is what you think, what really happened, and your feelings. No one knows what happened between you two but you two. Anyway, that's not my point. I have a story for you that might make you feel a bit better. (a bit)
My boyfriend is divorced from a British woman. When they met, he was studying abroad and he met and fell for her: a fabulous British woman with fish and chips and steak and kidney pie. Anyhoo, time came when he had to return back to the U.S. of A. They tearfully parted and promised to write, stay together, etc. But as most long distance relationships (trans-atlantic even) they decided, much like your non-almost-girlfriend, to have an open relationship. About three years into this situation, my now-boyfriend felt his British other-half pulling away and he feared that she was seeing another man in England who pulled on her heart more than he did. Not wanting to lose her, he pulled the ultimate romantic move and proposed marriage to her. They got married and after nine months of INS b.s. she moved here to be with him. Turns out, after nine years of marriage, she never could forget the bloke she was dating in England. This defined their marriage and well..they divorced. And then I him a year after.
So the moral of the story? Though you didn't "get" the girl, you may have still made some lasting impact on her. And though English guy may have "gotten" her back, he may not know that a part of her will always pine for you.
Feelings aren't always black and white. I wish you the best, Rory.
June 27, 2006 5:39 PM
 

gemils said:

I would say that I am sorry for posting feedback to this already arduously long thread, Rory, but that would most certainly be a lie. If you comment on the lack of necessity of using the term 'most' to qualify the certainty of my lying, then I will be required to succeed in running you over next time you come to Alaska.

And so the narcissistic comment, written by a wearer of $300 headphones, continues.

I, like so many of these other people, can relate to your post, although I feel that I lack the anger and general disdain that most folks are exhibiting towards both you and this person about whom you cared a great deal. Loved, even.

flashback.sound.play();

I met a wonderful lady some years ago, and, after an extended period of friendship that was required due to our tendency to date other people, we decided to get together. Of course, this was while on vacation at an archaeological dig in Israel, followed by SCUBA diving in the Red Sea and then a week of being homeless in the streets of Tel Aviv.

The point is that she was fucking amazing. My friends all called her Garret with Breasts, which was partially true. However, she was much more. She had a spine. She was interesting. She had self-respect. In an all-out brawl, I had to actually work to kick her ass.

Well, we get back to Seattle (we had met there while attending SPU), and we spend an awkward week adjusting to normal life. Normal life, of course, being totally fucked up. Something about my car and everything I owned being stolen while I was traveling. Right, so I decide to go to Alaska to work with a software dev group that I have been a part of for five years.

She follows me up for a week's vacation, and we have a great time. We love each other. We know that we want a couple of kids. A nice wedding. We don't want abortions. All of the important stuff, right? And then she goes to Cambridge, UK, to study for her Master's Degree in Geoarchaeological Studies. Like I said, she was interesting.

Hey, Garret, get to the point, right? NO! It's your blog, but my long-winded comment.

We do the long distance thing, it is all great, I go to visit her for Christmas, blahblahblah, Paris and London and Oban, and then I leave. We discuss marriage and how perfect we are for each other. We like to think that we are both quality people in a quality relationship.

Two weeks later, she cheats on me with one of her roommates (the male one). A month later, she tells me.

Oops.

All of my friends immediately begin professing the amazing evility, vileness, and bitchitude of this person whom they do not know. And I stand by her worth and value as a human, despite the fact that some stupid shit happened. Did she mess up? I like to think so. Did I know that it was possible? Yes. Are we still together? No, she is still with Fish and Chips over in the UK, and I, after having decided that I had no need for any man, woman, or llama, found this random girl. Quality, girl. A girl who knows kung fu (but not well enough to be able to kick my ass).

My conclusions from all of this?

Nicole is not an evil bitch. England is full of girl-wooing bastards with their fucking meat pies and accents. You have a soul. A funny soul. In $300 dollar glasses.

Shit, this is way too long for a response.

Come back to Alaska soon, okay?
June 27, 2006 9:03 PM
 

Rory said: