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A question popped up recently in the Channel 9 Coffeehouse which I naturally found very interesting because it was about me:

Posted by Cybermagellan

Rory,
    I notice that throughout the "Meet da team" video that you knuckles people because of your deal with your hands. However you can touch the fabric thing in the womans office and say that it's OK. Considering that fabric can host dirt and other things in it's fibers (such as food, bacteria, mold, and viruses) how does that work?
Don't worry I have a OCD trait with objects stacking and making lines. It drives my girlfriend nuts.

The man who calls himself "Cybermagellan" is referring to a behavior of mine which was on proud public display in the aforementioned Channel 9 video.

The behavior in question is to "knuckle" instead of shake hands with people. I used to do "air-shakes" which were in every way exactly like a regular handshake except that they took place about ten feet from the person whose hand I was supposed to be shaking.

"Knuckles" is the new thing I'm doing. Instead of air-shaking, which created a lot of tension during business meetings and introductions, I form my hand into a fist and offer to bump knuckles with someone else's.

The reason behind doing knuckles and air-shaking instead of a regular handshake is simple: it is my well researched belief that most of you don't wash your hands after you poop, and that some of you don't even use toilet paper. By air-shaking or doing knuckles, I lower my risk of getting your fecal matter on my own hands. I also hug, which really surprises people, but think about it: you can't wipe your ass with your back, can you? And your back is what I'm touching when I hug you. Ergo, backs are OK.

What has confused Cybermagellan is that, in the video, while I was very serious about performing the knuckles maneuver, I had no problems whatsoever with licking a paper towel, or with touching cloth. The reason, in my mind, is that paper towels and cloth don't retain diseases the way hands do. Or the way metal does (and particularly the metal that's used to construct the poles you hang onto in vehicles of public transportation - if you can touch that stuff and live, then you could probably eat raw rat liver and suffer nothing worse than mild indigestion).

Now, I'm perfectly aware that it doesn't make sense that I believe that paper and cloth won't get me sick, but that skin, metal, and other materials will.

That, of course, is why people like me are called crazy.

Crazy doesn't make sense. That's why it's called "crazy." You can't expect any sort of obvious consistency in rules and conduct from someone who's nuts. They make the rules up in their own heads, and slowly refine these rules over their entire lifetimes, causing them to become stranger and stranger until, one day, they decide that the only way to live is to grow out one's thumbnails to several inches and dance around circles of shoes at noon and midnight to ward off the Subspace Table Monster.

"Subspace Table Monster?"

Yeah. That's right. Again: crazy.

The only way to test your ability to understand crazy is with the following phrase:

    Apple baby diaper blossoms.

Did that make sense to you? 'Cause it sure did to me.

But, then, I'm a lunatic. Maybe not stark raving mad and ready to sand my nipples down to blend in with the rest of my chest so that I can stop staying up all night and wondering about why I have nipples in the first place, but definitely a little "off" if you know what I mean.

Cybermagellan - the answer to your question about why it's OK for me to fear one material but think another is perfectly all right is locked in that phrase.

    Apple baby diaper blossoms.

Just say it to yourself over and over again until you understand.

    Apple baby diaper blossoms...

    Apple baby diaper blossoms...

    Apple baby diaper blossoms...

Eventually, throw in a laugh here and there. Then let the laugh become the occasional cackle. Then let the cackle become an inability to control your bodily functions.

Welcome, sir, to crazy.

My inconsistencies should now make perfect sense.

You're welcome.

Published Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:51 AM by Rory

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barryd said:

Someone once did a survey on the mints you see sitting by the exit at restaurants in the UK. Pretty much all of them contained instances of fecal matter.

Of course you're mad BTW, the subspace table monster was killed and eaten by the Calabi-Yau brane tentacle beast years back.
November 2, 2006 10:58 AM
 

Massif said:

You probably don't want to watch the Mythbusters episode with the Toothbrush Fecal Coliform experiment.

All of this (especially the rest of that thread) is worrying me, because I'm used to being perceived as odd by most people. I like being perceived as odd, it grants me a special status (oddness). Now it appears that everyone else is even more perculiar than me, and I'm just a little unusual.

Well... Poop. Where's the fun in that.
November 2, 2006 11:08 AM
 

Ben said:

The thing that I don't understand about fecal obsessives, is the lack of logic in it.  I mean if everyone refused to touch doorhandles and shake hands, I could understand it.  The fact is that most people shake hands, and most people are not constantly debilitated by salmonella or gastro enteritis, therefore most people don't have dirty hands.

But then again I'm crazy in totally different ways so I can't judge.  It just puzzles me.
November 2, 2006 11:35 AM
 

Rory said:

Massif -

"All of this (especially the rest of that thread) is worrying me, because I'm used to being perceived as odd by most people. I like being perceived as odd, it grants me a special status (oddness). Now it appears that everyone else is even more perculiar than me, and I'm just a little unusual.

Well... Poop. Where's the fun in that."

Speaking of poop, if you start eating yours in public, I'm sure you could win back that "perceived as odd by most people" status you so covet :)

(Just trying to help.)
November 2, 2006 11:59 AM
 

Blue said:

I admire your honesty regarding your oddness. Mine sometimes makes me feel low and ashame...
November 2, 2006 12:38 PM
 

Rory said:

Blue -

"I admire your honesty regarding your oddness. Mine sometimes makes me feel low and ashame..."

I just like to talk about myself, and if that means talking about my mental instability, then... well... Okee-dokee :)
November 2, 2006 12:56 PM
 

Mark Ingalls said:

<quote>
I also hug, which really surprises people, but think about it: you can't wipe your ass with your back, can you? And your back is what I'm touching when I hug you. Ergo, backs are OK.
</quote>

what about the poop that ends up on your back?  or, are they those awkward hugs where they don't reciprocate?
November 2, 2006 12:58 PM
 

Rory said:

Mark Ingalls -

"what about the poop that ends up on your back?  or, are they those awkward hugs where they don't reciprocate?"

Fuck.

Thanks for making my life much more complicated. I hadn't thought of that...
November 2, 2006 1:05 PM
 

Beer28 said:

I blogged about your video on SiteSpaces.

I had to interview people all this week, including a guy that used to work at Ubisoft, that worked on rainbow six. I can safely say, if I saw somebody wasting all the time that your OCD takes, I would be sorely tempted to fire them on the spot.

Get over it. If you have to step into the outside world, outside of microsoft, nobody is going to tolerate that.

Chris - BCS
November 2, 2006 1:06 PM
 

Rory said:

Beer28 -

"I blogged about your video on SiteSpaces."

Oh.

::shrug::

"I had to interview people all this week, including a guy that used to work at Ubisoft, that worked on rainbow six. I can safely say, if I saw somebody wasting all the time that your OCD takes, I would be sorely tempted to fire them on the spot."

Then I'm glad I don't work for you. Every single client and employer I've ever had has been very tolerant of my OCD tendencies - even supportive.

If you want a bunch of ordinary people doing ordinary work, then fine. But sometimes "out of the box" thinkers come with "out of the box" habits.

Also, out of curiosity, how much time exactly *does* my OCD take? I'm curious since you seem to have it nailed down. And, how many hours a day do I work? How might my long days compensate for any time spent attending to OCD issues?

You're not terribly bright, are you Beer, to have skipped over that thought process :) Not sure how you got into a hiring position (except perhaps through the Peter Principle).

"Get over it. If you have to step into the outside world, outside of microsoft, nobody is going to tolerate that."

You should probably have asked about the years of work I did *before* coming to Microsoft during which these tendencies were entirely present.

Not to pump myself up or anything, but I've been making gobs of money since I was about 22, and the only gap in the income department came during a several month hiatus that I chose to take in 2004 (and could afford to take because of the money I had made and saved).

In other words, you're completely wrong - outside Microsoft, I've found nothing *but* tolerance for the way I am, and that includes clients I've had which have ranged from small shops to very large, very well known enterprise customers.

I think I can survive without your approval :)
November 2, 2006 1:24 PM
 

Blue said:

Good answer to Beer28, Rory. And I'm not trying to give you my approval. :)
November 2, 2006 2:00 PM
 

Massif said:

Rory, thanks for the advice, but I think the price is too high.

I shall instead settle for being perceived as, as Douglas Adams so eloquently put it "Mostly Harmless".

I do enjoy the rarified status of being unpredictable though, which is odd as I never seem to do anything. I mean, you could predict my actions 99% accurately using a sheet of paper with "does nothing" written on it, and yet people find me hard to read. Curious...
November 2, 2006 2:11 PM
 

scott wilson said:

Rory,

What about hugging people that hug alot?  I mean, if someone hugs alot, then other peoples hands will have been on their back alot, so therefore the fecal matter from other people's hands tranfers to their back, creating a fecal melting pot on their sweater.  If one were to build a hugging algorithm involving a large group of people, I'm sure it would only be a matter of time before everyone in the group has a rather disgusting back.  Then, you come along and hug them, and now your hands are where 12+ other peoples hands have been.

And another thing... since you hug alot, you are potentially torturing the people that you should appreciate the most!  That is, people who give you a pat on the back for a job well done.  Think of those poor people!  Your infecting them with 12+ people's mixed fecal matter.  What a shame... they were only trying to inflate your ego Rory!!!  

November 2, 2006 3:10 PM
 

Rory said:

Blue -

"Good answer to Beer28, Rory. And I'm not trying to give you my approval. :)"

Merci :) Mais, c'etait trop facile. C'est un vrai cretin, Beer28...
November 2, 2006 3:46 PM
 

Ian said:

I think I like the 'knuckle' idea - it's certainly less stand off ish than the 'shake from 10 feet method could appear.

However, you need to ensure you stand still while 'knuckle-ing'.
If you have a tendancy to move about during said event you're going to be in trouble.
There a lot of people that are going to object to your 'knuckle shuffling' in public..

Of course, some may like it, but they're probably crazy. Or crazy for you, which may or may not be a good thing. you decide.
November 2, 2006 6:05 PM
 

Tee said:

What I'm concerned about is your "roommate" saying that you're quiet most of the time...do you induce yourself into a coma or something to remain "quiet"?

;)
November 2, 2006 6:55 PM
 

Zeus said:

I still find it funny that crazy people can still look at other people who are crazy, call them crazy, and even be indignant at how ridiculous the other person is.

In case you were  wondering, yeah, I'm a frickin' nut job sometimes.  When people pop gum in my presence I want to pull the gum out of their mouth.  I obviously don't share Rory's pathetic thing about poop since I can touch other people't mouths (or at least envision myself doing it) and get creeped out.  

I've had a little fantasy for a while to carry around a box of snap n pops and after they pop their gum, snap one right behind their head.  When they freak out and turn around to confront me, I would say, "Oh...I'm sorry.  Did that ANNOY you!?!?!?"

PS -- Even though Rory is a total nutjob, I actually DO wash my hands after I poop -- even after I pee.  Not that I pee ON myself, but, hey, I'm there, and the soap and water are too...
November 2, 2006 8:28 PM
 

betson said:

I believe the gangsta's call it, "Respect Knuckles"
November 2, 2006 8:46 PM
 

Beer28 said:

Hey, at least I can shake people's hands and don't waste time pondering on whether I should touch the door handle or not.

I hire people because I run the company. Not because I was promoted into the position. Let me remind you that I packaged an entire operating system solo and write system code on a regular basis for pretty large clients.

Hopefully some day you will be in a position where the need to touch things will overcome your OCD, and you will realize how silly it was.
I once knew a hypochondriac as a friend, and even hypochondriacs can largely overcome their fears. The fact that you are nearly 30 and you haven't says a lot.

Microsoft has some interesting, if you will, people. Good times. Good luck.
It was so strange, I couldn't help but comment. Sorry.
November 2, 2006 9:13 PM
 

Rory said:

My deer Beer28,

"Hey, at least I can shake people's hands and don't waste time pondering on whether I should touch the door handle or not."

I don't waste any time pondering - I just don't touch it.

"I hire people because I run the company. Not because I was promoted into the position."

That's right.

I saw your "me-too" impossible to use/navigate excuse of a MySpace rip-off. I noticed that your, the *founder's* blog, doesn't seem to get any comments. Hope that isn't an indication of how well you're doing :)

"Let me remind you that I packaged an entire operating system solo"

You mean... you created YALD *all by yourself*?

I'm sure it was really difficult slightly modifying someone else's distro by putting your own name on it and then offering the ISOs for download.

Congrats on adding to the mess.

"...and write system code on a regular basis for pretty large clients."

Sure you do :)

"Hopefully some day you will be in a position where the need to touch things will overcome your OCD, and you will realize how silly it was."

Oh, god, Beer. Thanks - I can't wait for the day to be freed from this living hell.

I'm tired of being successful and dating attractive women while getting my dream jobs.

The day this horrible tragedy finally comes to an end and I'm released from this prison of not wanting to touch certain very specific things, I'm going to thank you for being there.

That's right, Beer - when I finally decide that touching other people's feces-covered objects is a good idea, I'm going to be thinking especially of *you*. And I'll dedicate every touch to *you*.

"THIS ONE'S FOR CHRIS!" I'll say as I delight in knowing I'm getting poop on my hands.

Thanks, bro. Thanks for being there when I needed you.

"I once knew a hypochondriac as a friend, and even hypochondriacs can largely overcome their fears. The fact that you are nearly 30 and you haven't says a lot."

I like that you "*once* knew a hypochondriac as a friend..."

It's hard for me to imagine, given your gregarious nature, that anybody ever should have wanted to stop being friends with you for any reason.

You're such a likable guy :)
November 2, 2006 9:35 PM
 

punky said:

Re: the knuckles thing

Apparently, everyone thinks this is a brilliant idea.

Aren't you worried, though, that you'll meet someone matching one of the following criteria:
1) had five or six shots of espresso too many
2) trying to ship Vista on time
3) doing crystal meth
4) overly excited from meeting their blog hero
...will take your raised, closed fist the entirely wrong way and just punch you straight into the ground in a nervous spasm?
November 3, 2006 12:27 AM
 

punky said:

Re: "I once knew a hypochondriac as a friend"

The poor guy is DEAD and you still refer to him as "a hypochondriac"?
November 3, 2006 12:29 AM
 

AndyToo said:

Ror, props for the response to Beer.  What an ass.  Chip on your shoulder much, Beer?

About the knuckles thing: I'm sure it's not harming your career (which I have followed with stalker-like tenacity since DNR) but some of the folks in the video looked a little umm, unsure about the whole thing.  But maybe that's their problem..?

I gotta say though (and I realise there is craziness involved in this) the whole thing doesn't make any sense to me.  Think about it: yes, you might be right about the whole fecal matter thing, but the rest of the world seems to get on just fine with it.  
That is, after all, why we have immune systems.  In fact, there's evidence to show that if you protect your kids from playing with mud and eating old gum off the pavement (not that I did that) then they have a weaker immune system because they're not exposed to bacterial and viral threats like we should be.  Maybe (maybe) you need to 'expose yourself' a little more to the threats of life?  Your body is good at what it does (even though you're sick half the time!) and has evolved to cope with 99% of what your environment throws at it. Have some confidence in it.

Btw, 'touching cloth' has a whoooole different meaning in the UK.  Teehee.
November 3, 2006 1:43 AM
 

Simon said:

Its taken me a very long time to shake hand, I do it now but I still don't like it, a salutatory wave in the air is what I tend towards if I can get away with it.

Before I got to grips with it though I thought no one had noticed but they had.  One day whilst in an argument with a colleague he said "...and you can shut up Tocker an' all, else I'll send you to a handshaking convention!!!".  

I shut up.  Thouroughly stunned I'd been sussed.
November 3, 2006 1:44 AM
 

James said:

You know you only rock the knuckles cos it's WAAAY cooler than handshakes.
November 3, 2006 2:48 AM
 

Massif said:

Am I the only one who thinks the horribly distorted nose in punky's avatar looks a bit like a penis? (With a crossbar. Imagine having a crossbar on your penis, that'd be taking a whole new meaning to the phrase "love handles". Eew... I'm not sure I'll be able to look at punky's avatar the same way ever again.)

I'm resisting a tourette's like urge to confess things regarding hygene that no-one wants to know. This is the best I could do.
November 3, 2006 2:49 AM
 

Ian said:

"I'm tired of being successful and dating attractive women while getting my dream jobs. "

Yeah, we've gotta give you that one.

Bastard.
November 3, 2006 4:41 AM
 

Beer28 said:

Firstly, I did not rename another distro. Deity Linux is GNU + the Linux kernel and LSB packages. The init scripts ect... are ones that I wrote and we are literally spending tens of thousands of dollars to create our own YaST2 or RHEL tools or whatever you want to call the /etc gui config tool suite for our own OS.

"when I finally decide that touching other people's feces-covered objects"

This statement proves that your condition is not a healthy one. We need certain bacteria to survive. Bacteria is on everyone all the time. People's object are generally NOT feces covered. Even if they were, the chances it could effect you if you wash your hands once in a while is next to null.

"It's hard for me to imagine, given your gregarious nature, that anybody ever should have wanted to stop being friends with you for any reason. "

I moved back to Canada from NYS. We were on super good terms before I came back to Canada. He was a nice and humble person, unlike yourself.
November 3, 2006 5:42 AM
 

Massif said:

Just curious - but:

"we are literally spending tens of thousands of dollars to create our own YaST2 or RHEL tools or whatever you want to call the /etc gui config tool suite for our own OS."

Why?
November 3, 2006 6:02 AM
 

Erwin Blonk said:

"By air-shaking or doing knuckles, I lower my risk of getting your fecal matter on my own hands."

The right expression here is that you are reducing your attack surface.
November 3, 2006 6:59 AM
 

sarah said:

Though I'm nowhere near OCD, I think I have to agree with Rory on this one. I've recently seen a number of articles that discuss the possibility of another worldwide influenza epidemic similar to that of 1918. One article, in the New York Times, stated the following:

"Our government must draw up a plan for educating the public about effective nonpharmaceutical interventions like hand washing and face protection like masks. A prerequisite for doing so is determining the biggest culprit in spreading influenza: droplet transmission, in which an infected person sneezes or coughs directly into the mouth, nose or eyes of someone who is susceptible); contact transmission, in which virus is transferred via hands either directly, say, through a handshake, or indirectly through an object like a doorknob; and aerosol transmission, in which evaporated virus-containing particles are inhaled. "

As such, I fully support Rory's decision to avoid shaking hands with people. It's either that or running to wash his hands after every little meeting which could be seen as even more bizarre.

You know, on second thought maybe we should just substitute the air kiss...


ps: the full text of the article can be found here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/opinion/25wein.html?ex=1162702800&en=90d29e33c1aedb3d&ei=5070
November 3, 2006 9:02 AM
 

Rory said:

"Firstly, I did not rename another distro."

So... you stole the name? Left it the same?

What?

"Deity Linux"

Hey - that's humble :)

"...is GNU + the Linux kernel and LSB packages. The init scripts ect... are ones that I wrote and we are literally spending tens of thousands of dollars to create our own YaST2 or RHEL tools or whatever you want to call the /etc gui config tool suite for our own OS."

Sweet.

A distro that does nothing special for tens of thousands of dollars.

Sounds like you're on the road to success.  For your next trick, you should waste a lot of time and money by recreating MySpace in green and brown and watch as it slides downhilll while your users question if you'll still be around tomorrow.

(Oh, wait... you already did that.)

"This statement proves that your condition is not a healthy one."

Thanks for the warning, Dr. Beer!

"We need certain bacteria to survive. Bacteria is on everyone all the time."

::gasp::

*Really*?

Hey! Maybe that's why I don't like touching people!

"People's object are generally NOT feces covered."

I'll make an exception for you ;)

"Even if they were, the chances it could effect you if you wash your hands once in a while is next to null."

You've got data to back up your case and everything.

Tell me more, Dr. Beer!

"I moved back to Canada from NYS. We were on super good terms before I came back to Canada."

Of course you were.

"He was a nice and humble person, unlike yourself."

I never claimed to be nice or humble. Both are highly overrated.

Anyway, why are you still here? Don't you have a big hole in the ground into which you should be shoveling, and then burning, money?

(I'm referring to your "distro," in case you can't pick up on the subtle message behind my comment.)
November 3, 2006 9:28 AM
 

Massif said:

I'm assuming here that "humble" means "submitted to my opinions". Seriously, who the hell describes their friends as humble?

Ass1: "What do you like about Jim."
Ass2: "Oh, he's really humble you know."
Ass1: "Oh, all my best friends are humble."
Ass2: "Yeah, it means he's way too humble to contradict my latest opinion."
Ass1: "Totally, I hate it when people disagree with me, arrogant sods! how dare they!"
November 3, 2006 10:18 AM
 

Tee said:

Yeah, there are good bacteria but that doesn't mean that I want them lounging about on my skin and in my body.  If I can help it, I avoid touching certain things (grocery carts, door handles, handrails) and when I come home from *anywhere* I wash my hands.  Touching some of these things is unavoidable but washing your hands afterwards doesn't make you an obsessive compulsive snob.  Whether it be coming back from getting the mail, going to the grocery store, bank, school...whatever.  FREQUENT HANDWASHING IS NOT A BAD THING.  It's a preventative measure against getting sick.  

And honestly, I can't see how other people washing their hands often could have an adverse affect on anyone...they're doing you a favor too!

We'll just put it this way, I have no idea where your hands have been today and you have no idea where mine have been today so lets do eachother a favor as to not infect eachother with various strains of bacteria and wash our hands once in a while.
November 3, 2006 1:29 PM
 

paul said:

Bacteria do evolve by mutation, do you think they could ever learn to travel via HTTP?
November 3, 2006 2:55 PM
 

Rob said:

OK, there's something I don't get.

Those hand sanitizer thingies in the Microsoft kitchen have these surely contaminated dispenser handles, as Rory described.

BUT

If you use them, don't you have a simultaneous act there, I mean, you're not only receiving the germy germs by pushing on the handle with the heel of your hand, but you're also very nearly immediately *killing* those same germs with the sanitizer goo coming out of the dispenser, just as soon as you rub the lotion around a bit...

Seems to me that ought to pass the rules in your head...
November 5, 2006 11:32 AM
 

Jamie said:

Do other people know the reason you don't shake hands? I mean, if you were to walk into a meeting with a bunch of new people, and you did a kind of gangster knuckle rap, would they know it was because you were worried they had shit on their hands? Or do they just think you a little eccentric?

I might think it was a bit rude if someone inferred I had unseemly toilet habits by refusing to shake my hand.... or maybe I would just assume you were a bit crazy :)
November 6, 2006 3:30 AM
 

Simon said:

Rory, you have nipples because you were female during the first weeks of your life. Like everyone else.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
November 6, 2006 4:36 PM
 

JoeG said:


OCD is an illness. I know many people who have struggled with it, with varying degrees of success. Telling someone to "Get over it" shows a stunning level of ignorance...as does criticizing Rory Blyth for not being humble. I mean, have you ever read ANYTHING the man has written?? Might as well criticize a dog for licking its...well, you get the point.
November 7, 2006 12:37 PM
 

punky said:

Massif:

Oh God. Oh dear God.

I mean, I've heard things about my appearance before. Like, my hairdresser said I had "the stiffest ears he'd encountered". And my dentist showed my teeth to his assistant, saying they were "size maximum". But I'm OK with that. Having a penile nose is a different matter entirely.

Now I'll have to get a new photo.
November 8, 2006 1:00 AM
 

sonic said:

After seeing your channel 9 intro video and reading this very entry on Madness, I immediately thought of you when I wandered into this nook of the web.

http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/design_for_a_germophobic_society_4937.asp

I share it because I thought you might want to think of you as well.   :)
November 9, 2006 8:12 PM
 

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November 12, 2006 9:16 AM
 

mcewen said:

Ignoring the issue of OCD for the moment, I would like to point out that the 'mints in the restaurant when you exit' is a purely American thing.  No Brit in their right mind would either offer them or take them - something FREE - please, maybe in the next generation.
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December 5, 2006 12:14 PM
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