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Yoda - WTF?

I don't know why this suddenly matters to me so much.

I haven't posted anything in over a week, but I'm sitting here at work, minding my own business, doing work stuff, when it pops into my head, all at once - and I mean all at once, not bit by bit - that Yoda, who was, like, nine-hundred years old or something, this little green toady fellow who was able to move spaceships with his brain, who held a seat on the Jedi Council, who taught Luke Skywalker the ways of the Force, who made a nice bowl of rootleaf soup, who had all this philosophy crap nailed down...

...couldn't get the god damned grammar of English down. Seriously. It's messed up.

All that other stuff, and he can't figure out how not to end a sentence with a preposition.

And it's not like he didn't have time to learn. How many years was he living on Dagobah before Luke visited him? What was he doing the whole time? Watching TV? Mowing the swamp? Perfecting his rootleaf soup recipe?

Given the progress of events in the two distinct trilogies which comprise "Star Wars: The Original" and "Star Wars: The Total Fuck-Up", I'd say that Yoda had at least twenty-five years or so of downtime on Dagobah to get everything together.

But did he? Did he bring along a single grammar on "Basic" (the Star Wars version of English) to his little hobbit hovel?

No.

He just brought along a soup-pot and that nasty little robe he had been wearing for centuries without washing. He also evidently didn't bring along an ear-hair trimmer, 'cause there was more than one forest on Dagobah if you know what I'm talkin' about.

Now that I'm on the subject, here's something else I can't figure out:

"When nine-hundred years old you reach, look as good you will not, hmmmm?"

I don't remember if that's the exact line or not, but here's the issue: How did he keep track of years? The metric "year" refers to the amount of time it takes for the Earth to revolve around the sun (or roughly thereabouts - there's some sloppiness in the measurement, but it's pretty close).

It doesn't make any sense for Yoda to refer to himself as being nine-hundred years old since:

1. A year on Coruscant (where Yoda lived during his tenure on the Jedi Council) wasn't the same as a year on Earth

2. A year on Dagobah wasn't the same as a year on Earth

3. A year on Yoda's homeworld (whatever that's called) wasn't the same as a year on Earth

For all we really know, the guy was only about fifty in Earth years, but looked like shit because of his diet or something. Maybe eating rootleaf soup and keeping snakes as pets makes you age faster.

I don't know. It's all so stupid.

It's amazing how, year after year, George Lucas finds new ways to piss me off with material of his that's been around pretty much since I was born.

Screw you, George, and screw your little green baldy dwarf thing.

Published Monday, November 13, 2006 4:32 PM by Rory

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If only he had cable said:

>And it's not like he didn't have time to learn. How many years was he living on Dagobah before Luke visited him? What was he doing the whole time? Watching TV? Mowing the swamp? Perfecting his rootleaf soup recipe?

well I'll tell you one thing he probabbly was doing there rowrie - SPEAKING ENGLISH. what are the chances that all the bugs there spoke fluent English? Last time I had a breif chat with a mosquito we weren't talking english.
Although, to be honest, our communication wasn't really vocal. I swished my hand (translation - yes I can see you don't even try it), then I slapped its buttucks (translation - well i did warn you, fool)
Why oh why would yoda be studing English! sure if he was in... india he might thing to himself - "taking some italian classes, I wouldn't mind" but hes not EVEN ON EARTH. when did you take classes for an ACTUAL lanuage spoken on another planet in another solar system? WHEN ROWIE?!

And even if he, for some BEZAIRE reason, did pick english to learn - whos gonna teach him - correct me if i'm wrong - but there wasn't too many englishmen - or americans - living in the swamp.  And i didn't remember him having any communication droids either - before someone points this out.

>It doesn't make any sense for Yoda to refer to himself as being nine-hundred years old

how do you know it was an earth year? perhaps it was a galactic standard year (hopefully not the same as used in MiB)? perhaps 900 years = 90 earth years.

>and screw your little green baldy dwarf thing.
that reminds me of a movie...
November 13, 2006 4:50 PM
 

Rory said:

kiwi -

The point is, he could have used his time in the swamp to brush up on his "Basic" - he had the Force, right? He could kind of see into the future, right?

Yeah, I know - "Always in motion is the future..."

But, still, in part of that motion, he must have seen good ol' Luke.

So, Luke's coming to visit, and toady doesn't bother to improve the "Basic" he's had *centuries* to perfect.

It's strange, see? He could do all this other neat wizardy crap, but he couldn't speak the damned language. How could he be *so* good at wearing dirty robes and fighting bad guys without being able to learn "Basic"?
November 13, 2006 5:17 PM
 

bart said:

Well...maybe he was so obsessed with logic that he was speaking in something like sql select phrases :D Or maybe it was some sort of "polish notation" that he was using :D Or maybe it's a science fiction movie that you aren't supposed to take very serious :P
The time was really fucked up in that  movie if Natalie Portman/Amidala got to screw a kindergarten boy. Maybe the force was strong in Anakin Skywalker but still...he should have been like 15-16 or so when his romance with Amidala happened.

I love geek talk :)
November 13, 2006 5:18 PM
 

bart said:

Yes...and about completing his "Basic"... I've always seen Yoda more like a Lisp guy :)  
November 13, 2006 5:29 PM
 

If only he had cable said:

>So, Luke's coming to visit, and toady doesn't bother to improve the "Basic" he's had *centuries* to perfect.

ok, so my counter point would be - why?
he speaks "basic" well enough so that luke and han and the boys understand him - why invest more time in it? I don't know what jedi masters do with their spare time - i assume they practice, meditate, do yoga and shoot galactic pool with hot jedi chics. Anyways I assume yoda had enough on his bowl to do, rather than refining his grammar and accent. (the latter of which was quite good i thought)

Perhaps it was on his todo list, but he never quite got around to it - i bet those years just flew past, next thing luke is plowing into his little patch of swamp.
November 13, 2006 6:03 PM
 

Jonathan Sampson said:

I'm in the camp that says Yoda was far too intelligent to end sentences in prepositions. I mean, think about it, you and I speak "proper" english, yet we've only lived but a few decades - what if we were to live 600-900 years? As our intelligence increases, our linguistics would no-doubt change too.

Just give it a few hundred more years, Rory, and you will understand that you and I are only ignorant of the little Dude's 1337 skills.
November 13, 2006 7:33 PM
 

Haacked said:

Not to inject a serious answer to a tongue in cheek question, but I think it's Yoda's accent.  

Not even Einstein could get rid of his German accent.  Not everyone is built for language in the same way. Some people can drop an accident like yesterday's news, but other very smart people never lose their accent.
November 13, 2006 8:27 PM
 

Jonathan Sampson said:

Haacked, it really isn't just the way he sounds as much as it is the order of words he uses. His syntax was jacked-up :) And beneath the grunts and gnarles - aka 'The Accent' - he still had some very unorthodox-style english :)
November 13, 2006 9:40 PM
 

Massif said:

(on a slight tangent.)

So, still holding a grudge then?

I think it's quite funny the number of people who bitch about Episodes 1 - 3. I don't think it's George Lucas' fault that he got lucky the first time around.

(back on the subject)

As for the years thing, I'm sure there's a standard "year" involved, there usually is just like there's a standard language to explain why all the weird aliens are speaking english.

As for grammer (sic):
I'm guessing that after 900 years you end up with really really strong habits.
Or perhaps it could be that Yoda's brain simply worked that way, and that he could have learned to speak properly, but slow to talk that would make him. Going against your make-up (genetic, psychological or learned), difficult always is.

Now, what about the twisted logic that ended up with Jar-jar binks as a Senator?
November 14, 2006 1:08 AM
 

Matt said:

This is pretty easy to explain. First, in a galactic civilization it's natural that you would have a galactic means of telling time.

probably based on teh courisanti year. Yoda knows how old he is because he has a chronometer set to Galactic Standard time.

He talks funny, because that is how basic sounded 900 years ago when he learned how to talk.

Go back in time to 1106 England and chat with some of the folks there.

I mean most people have a hard enough time understanding Shakespear and that wasn't nearly that long ago. It makes sense that you will continue to speak in the manner that you were taught as a youngling even though the rest of the universe talks funny.

I'm only 35 and the language I learned is already quite different than the ones my children are learning, I still use the word Neat and Groovy once in a while. which causes everyone to look at me funny.

If you want to pick on Yoda, then ask him why he ran from the emperor after he almost beat him and hid out in the swamp for 20 years with his tail between his legs, and then sent an untrained boy  to finish the job he should have finished.

Ask him why a Sith lord was able to take control right under his nose on his watch. Ask him why he tasked a freaking padawan who's master just died to train the most powerful jedi ever known.

Yoda was a tool, his language was the least of his faults.
November 14, 2006 6:49 AM
 

Andrew said:

Perhaps he's like Rain Man of the Jedis? He can do some crazy ass somersaults when he's fighting but normally he walks like he's gonna keel over at any minute.

What I'd like to know is if he can lift an X-Wing why the hell doesn't he make himself fly about the place. I'm sure it would cut down on the medical bills because unless the Jedis have good plan he'd be paying quite a bit for hip replacements.
November 14, 2006 7:12 AM
 

Jonathan Sampson said:

"What I'd like to know is if he can lift an X-Wing why the hell doesn't he make himself fly about the place." - Andrew

Andrew, it's because he's a modest little Yoda :)
November 14, 2006 7:14 AM
 

Andrew said:

Modest? Yoda is a patronising little runt. Anger leads to suffering..blah, blah, blah! I'm sure all the Jedis learned this on day one of Jedi school, and yet he constantly reminds Jedi Masters. I think they've figured it by now Yoda you senile old fart.
November 14, 2006 11:59 AM
 

Neopoleon said:

I wrote a post yesterday of which I'm not terribly proud. No - not the Yoda one. I dig the Yoda one....
November 14, 2006 2:46 PM
 

paul said:

Send a Yoda to school you would.
November 15, 2006 7:52 AM
 

Charles said:

I like the idea of the non-standard year.  Maybe 900 Yoda years is actually about 15 Earth years?  

So, Yoda is 15 - a sulky 15 at that.  He probably spent 25 years in the swamp listening endlessly to Cradle of Filth albums.  No wonder he's a a miserable git.  That also explains why he mopes around so much. That's not age setting in - he is busy contemplating his naval.

If only he communicated with the Jedi council by email:

'sup Jedis?  New filth album today is out.  Staying in the swamp I am.  My balls you suck.

Or something like that.  Personally I don't think about films in great detail so the star wars films don't annoy me.   Apart from Highlander   2 - that ruined the first one for me.  Highlander 2 with Jar-Jar would have been insufferable.
November 15, 2006 8:12 AM
 

George said:

"Screw you, George, and screw your little green baldy dwarf thing."

Man, if I had a nickel for every time someone said that to me...
November 15, 2006 8:03 PM
 

Scotty said:

Yoda is from Cleveland.  Everybody knows that.  Although the years seem much longer when you live in Cleveland, they are exactly the same length as any other place on Earth.
November 16, 2006 6:41 AM
 

Lindsay said:

Dude, that's my favorite Yoda quote of all time.  You got it right.
November 16, 2006 8:26 PM
 

Danno said:

Perhaps Yoda simply speaks as he thinks, and finds no need to change it since it appears most everyone can figure out what he's saying.  Plus, the little dude seems to enjoy being different and quirky.  I'm sure he could speak perfect english when he wants, but his genius intellect says, "Smarter than all I am, speak poor english to make impression of little alien freaky-geeky wizard I will".  I mean, why the heck not?  The dude just wants to be different, and to that I say, "Have a pint on me chap".
November 30, 2006 8:04 AM
 

Danno said:

Note to self, "Start a new webiste on Yodabonics, written compleltely in Yodaise".  After all, why should Klingon wanna be's have all the fun!  Savages. :-)
November 30, 2006 8:16 AM
 

David said:

Yoda probably does conversions on the fly when speaking to lesser beings.  It's kinda like when I talk to Americans.  I do all the Metric to Imperial conversions in my head on the fly so I don't get those blank stares.

Perhaps memorizing conversion tables was what he was doing instead of working on his grammar.

Dave in Canada.
December 6, 2006 6:44 PM
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