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Losing touch with reality?

I don't read many blogs anymore. I don't know that I consider myself a blogger - or that I ever was - but today, for reasons unknown, I went out and checked out a few of the sites I used to read religiously.

Something about the distance from the blogging world has helped me to understand it a little better. It's similar to how I understood (and learned to appreciate) the United States by going and living in a couple other countries in my late teens and early twenties.

Today, one of my stops was Scoble's site.

I read a posted titled Why Scoble didn't get a Zune sponsorship.

And you know what? It was just a bunch of whining. Here's the first paragraph:

Oh, now I understand why Microsoft didn’t offer the ScobleShow a Zune sponsorship! Andrew Baron reveals that he was offered such but turned it down because the terms said he wouldn’t be able to say anything disparaging about Microsoft or the Zune. Since I’ve already done both, that leaves me out of the running explicitly.

Lame.

While I would rather see a world in which the Zune team gave out a few devices to people without requiring that they only say positive things about them, I would also rather see a world in which people didn't moan about not getting a device because of restrictive terms and conditions.

Seriously, Robert. The Zune team has some rules that they've set up, and while I agree with your objection, and while I'm assuming your reason for posting your objection is to try and change the way the Zune team operates, it's really an irritating, poor-me way of putting it.

C'mon. At the end of the day, you've got money - you've got your BMW - you've got all that VC money you talk about in your videos - you've got the fancy video camera that you purchased with that VC money - you've got money, money, money.

If you want to be able to use a Zune and say whatever you'd like about it, then you ought to just buy one. If your goal is to get your hands on one just so that you can publicly disparage it, then use your own money.

The Zune team already gave you something - they gave you free content. You took that content and turned it into a video on your site, which translates into viewers, which translates into ad revenue, which translates into your job and income. They don't owe you a device on top of it, and especially not if your plan is to talk trash about it.

Yeah, yeah, I know you're ultimately a good guy, and you'd say good things about the device, and you'd really only say negative things about the Zune because you'd like to see it succeed, but...

...who do you think you are?

At the end of the day, like the rest of us, you're someone who has made a splash in a very small, very vertical pond. While everybody in the convention center might know who you are, the baristas in the Starbucks across the street almost certainly don't. They're just as likely to spit in your latte as they are mine.

When you have a bit more weight to throw around, and when you're shaking hands with people outside our vertical, and when you're gracing the cover of Time, then you might be in a position to throw a prima Donna tantrum about not getting a free Zune, but as things are, you probably ought to just stick to being the nice guy that we know (and hope) you to be rather than someone who wants to take his free content from a team, his free device from a team, and then publicly pull their pants down.

And, you aren't going to make a lot of friends around here with comments like this:

Microsoft, I guess, still hasn’t discovered what’s magical about blogs: they let a big company listen in on the word-of-mouth conversation in a way that no one was able to before.

After having worked here, how can you say this? You should know by now that there isn't one Microsoft. You've said it yourself in so many words: Microsoft is a collection of some 70,000 people, each having his or her own idea about how this company is or should be run.

You should know better than to slam the whole lot of us just because one team didn't give you the device you wanted.

You're losing touch, yo.

Published Monday, November 13, 2006 5:42 PM by Rory

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Comments

 

Alfred Thompson said:

You tell 'em Rory! Robert keeps talking about being unbiased and not doing pay per post and getting too many free things because people want him to talk about them. Then as soon as someone doesn't send him something free he claims it because they don't understand how the Internet works!
November 13, 2006 5:53 PM
 

Blogus Maximus said:

What's a Scoble?  

Just kidding yo, but you make an excellent point. So many of us (myself included) consider ourselves rockstars at times, but nobody outside of our target audience really gives a damn.

Way to put it in perspective man.
November 13, 2006 6:30 PM
 

Rory said:

Blogus -

"Just kidding yo, but you make an excellent point. So many of us (myself included) consider ourselves rockstars at times, but nobody outside of our target audience really gives a damn."

It's not just that.

It's that, here we have one of the most well known advocates of the blogging medium - a medium with so much potential - and he's using it to whine about *not getting a free Zune*.

I find that a little more than irritating.

I'd go on a bit more about it, but I'm already on my way to being late for an appointment, so... tah.
November 13, 2006 7:12 PM
 

Eamon Nerbonne said:

The New Journalism: Blogging

In which, you're only allowed to say Good Things, because the world is sweet like chocolate.  You better not complain - that's being ungrateful to those that want to have (virtually) free advertising.

By the way, I'ld like to bring to your attention the inner beauty of unsolliceted junk mail.  (I'm not at liberty to discuss any downsides since I got it for free).

Mmmm, tasty foot :-)
November 14, 2006 12:32 AM
 

Rory said:

Eamon -

"The New Journalism: Blogging

In which, you're only allowed to say Good Things, because the world is sweet like chocolate.  You better not complain - that's being ungrateful to those that want to have (virtually) free advertising."

Scoble can, of course, say whatever he wants about anything.

The point is that he shouldn't complain about not receiving a free Zune just so he can do the world a great service by revealing what he doesn't like about it.

The guy has money. If what he wants is to trash a Zune, then he should just buy one and do it. To ask for a free device (for his journalistic scrutiny) after the team gave their time for one of his shows is just... well, as he said of not getting a free Zune, *lame*.
November 14, 2006 12:41 AM
 

Minh said:

You glossed over a show-stopper for me.

"While I would rather see a world in which the Zune team gave out a few devices to people without requiring that they only say positive things about them"

What marketing idiot thought of that clause? Did they think that it wouldn't leak out? It taints EVERY positive Zune review. That person should be fired for putting that clause in there.

Forget about Scoble and his money. The Zune just went up a few scales on the lametitude meter in my book.
November 14, 2006 4:41 AM
 

mrpeabody said:

So whining obviously does pay off...
Scoble gets 2 Zunes delivered.. http://scobleizer.com/2006/11/14/two-zunes-arrived/
November 14, 2006 4:50 AM
 

Rory said:

Minh -

"You glossed over a show-stopper for me.

"While I would rather see a world in which the Zune team gave out a few devices to people without requiring that they only say positive things about them"

What marketing idiot thought of that clause? Did they think that it wouldn't leak out? It taints EVERY positive Zune review. That person should be fired for putting that clause in there."

What are you talking about?

That's *only* for the devices that are given out in the manner Scoble requested them. That isn't for devices that were *purchased*.

It sounds like there are some restrictions on what you can say if you're given one in a certain manner by the team.

However, if you *buy* one, then you can say whatever you want.

What's wrong with that?
November 14, 2006 8:49 AM
 

Rory said:

mrpeabody -

"So whining obviously does pay off...
Scoble gets 2 Zunes delivered.. http://scobleizer.com/2006/11/14/two-zunes-arrived/"

Yeah. I saw that - was a bit disappointed.

Without naming any names, it's always sad when whining allows people to get their way when it comes to blogging.

I've seen this happen enough times that I wonder why I ever bothered to "blog" in the first place. I really have been finding it distasteful lately.
November 14, 2006 8:51 AM
 

Mule said:

I don't know which is worse : Scoble whining , or you whining about Scoble's whining.
November 14, 2006 9:45 AM
 

Minh said:

Yes, I know the restrictions are for early preview units.

And part of Scoble's bitching is that why o why does a company think they deserve or even CAN possess this kind of control?

What possible advantage is there in including that clause that cannot be overturned 100x by the exposure of that clause?

Dumb.
November 14, 2006 10:40 AM
 

Rory said:

Mule -

"I don't know which is worse : Scoble whining , or you whining about Scoble's whining."

Before I wrote the first word of this post, I figured someone would come along and try to be clever by whining about me whining about someone else whining.

But, this is a genuine gripe. For the past year or so, I've done a good job of just providing original content in blog form for whatever readers are interested.

I'm just disappointed that, several years after the whole blog explosion, we're watching as one of its initial heavy promoters just uses his blog as a way to try and get a free device.

The guy has money - he has resources. A Zune for Scoble is nothing. Yet he has to take up the time of *how many* readers just to bitch and moan about not getting his toy?

*That's* what he does with all that influence?

It makes it embarrassing to be considered a blogger, honestly. That's probably part of the reason why I usually don't refer to "my blog," but, rather, to "my site."

Blogs have turned into mouthpieces for people who want to change the world by complaining. Those are the people who dominate the blogosphere.

There are very few examples of truly well written "blogs" with original content - there are very few vlogs that are well done - very few podcasts are anything more than gearheads playing with their equipment.

Like democracy, blogging has somewhat failed in that it puts a little too much power into the hands of people who don't know what to do with it.
November 14, 2006 10:44 AM
 

Dare Obasanjo said:

>when you're gracing the cover of Time, then you might be in a position to throw a prima Donna tantrum about not getting a free Zune

I'm sure he made the cover of the Economist (http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3644293) and was part of a Fortune cover story on blogging (http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050104-142153) although he didn't appear on the cover.
November 14, 2006 11:35 AM
 

Rory said:

Minh -

"And part of Scoble's bitching is that why o why does a company think they deserve or even CAN possess this kind of control?"

If a company is *giving away* units, then of course they can set restrictions on how the units are to be presented. Do you think the Zune is the only product for which these kind of restrictions are set?

The fact is, people are much wiser to how things go down in the blogging world now. In the past, bloggers tended to be the enthusiasts - the excited people - the ones who *really* wanted to get their hands on the new gear and give it a shot.

Now, and mainly because of the examples given by a few "A-List" bloggers, people think that the way to properly review something, or to talk about something, is to slam it.

The anonymity of the net encourages this kind of behavior. It's like people driving their cars - suddenly they're in their own little bubbles, seperate from all the other bubbles, and they feel like they can scream, honk, yell, swear, and insult the other drivers in any number of ways.

If I were about to release a product, I'd also be very careful about the people to whom I gave previews. It's much easier to complain than it is to write something truly interesting.

Why should anyone go out of his way to enable the slamming of his own product?

Hello-oo-oo-oooo...

"What possible advantage is there in including that clause that cannot be overturned 100x by the exposure of that clause?"

These devices are basically *gifts*. The Zune team is saying, "Here - take this if you want it - but don't take it and then slam us after we've given you gear for free."

Now, if someone wants to go out and *buy* the gear on their own so that they can slam it, *fine* - that's OK. That's how it should be.

But someone shouldn't expect a gift when his intention is to very publicly bemoan it.

"Dumb."

You say that about a few too many things. It kind of takes the sting out of it.

I've been watching you in the forums, and after several years of dealing with customers, it was pretty easy to peg you as one of those people who's never satisfied. You're part of a vocal minority that we'll never please.

::shrug::
November 14, 2006 11:39 AM
 

Mule said:

Rory-

I thought the point of a blog was that it gave a voice and a potential audience to anyone with the means of traversing the net. The fact that a “gearhead” puts up a podcast that you find distasteful or that a blogger’s blog is nothing more than a vehicle for complaint is precisely what gives this medium its power; it gives the ordinary schmoe a chance to declare his stupidity , intelligence ,anguish , boredom or  whatever to the world.

I think its pointless getting hysterical about the lack of quality blogs out there , the ones that are good will be read, that’s why I read yours , its entertaining , you give me a sliver of insight into your life , I enjoy it.

Caveat: do not descend to the level of those you denigrate.
Perhaps I am naïve but I believe that you will get the audience you deserve.

By the way - “I don't know which is worse: Scoble whining, or you whining about Scoble's whining." ,can hardly be considered a whine, I would have had to add at least another two sentences to that statement before it could qualify as a whine.
November 14, 2006 12:05 PM
 

Rory said:

Dare -

"I'm sure he made the cover of the Economist (http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3644293) and was part of a Fortune cover story on blogging (http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050104-142153) although he didn't appear on the cover."

I'll weasle out of this one by saying that neither of those is Time :)

But, I just have to wonder... *why* would he be on the cover?

I feel like I just woke up this week from a looooooong sleep during which I ignored things like this.

Don't get me wrong - I like the guy (most of the time) - but his words were overvalued in the past in very much the same way dotCom stocks of the late 90s were overvalued.

I guess I'm suddenly realizing that I find most of the blogging world to be absolutely mad. The value of someone's words seems to be based upon incredibly arbitrary criteria.

I've been trying to ignore my thoughts on this subject because it all feels so negative, but... what have people really built here? What *is* the blogosphere?

It's a network of people who base their authority on how many other people grant them that authority - whether it makes sense to do so or not.

It's a giant network of ass kissing. Blogger A kisses Blogger B's ass in the hopes that Blogger B will link to Blogger A, thereby bringing Blogger A more traffic and power. Then Blogger A can use his "power" to attract the attention of Blogger C (along with all of Blogger C's readers). This will hopefully result in inbound links from Blogger C and co.

What's the point? Where did all that linking, ass kissing energy go?

It went to supporting a gigantic echo chamber in which little more is done aside from the usual "Link to me, please, and I'll link to you" trades along with complaints about The Man.

But it's all so hollow. No substance.

Just ass kissing and complaining.

I'm writing this because I want to see something different.

But, it looks like there are plenty of people who are perfectly happy in the existing environment.

So, rather than wanting something different, I guess I'll just keep on *making* something different.

I wonder if there's another blogosphere out there somewhere that just deals with content - people who "blog" because they enjoy writing, and not because they're trying to win favors from people or trade in their popularity for "power" and gadgets, and who don't whine and complain when they don't get their way...

Time to start searching.
November 14, 2006 12:11 PM
 

Minh said:

RB>> If a company is *giving away* units, then of course they
RB>> can set restrictions on how the units are to be presented.
RB>> Do you think the Zune is the only product for which these
RB>> kind of restrictions are set?

And MS can require people to wear pink tu-tus while reviewing the Zune, too. But they don't. And for a very good reason. It doesn't make any sense. If you think harder about this restriction, you'll realize that it doesn't make much sense either.

RB>>The fact is, people are much wiser to how things go down
RB>> in the blogging world now.

And yet, MS still think they can affect popular (the blogosphere in this case) opinion with amateurish attempts such as this.

RB>> people think that the way to properly review something,
RB>> or to talk about something, is to slam it.

I don't know about the rest of the people, but if I slam something, it deserves slamming.

RB>> If I were about to release a product, I'd also be very
RB>> careful about the people to whom I gave previews. It's
RB>> much easier to complain than it is to write something
RB>> truly interesting.

RB>> Why should anyone go out of his way to enable the
RB>> slamming of his own product?

You & I both agree that the Zune will live or die based on its own merits, why does marketing has to make it that much harder for the Zune by inserting a brain-dead clause that can ONLY produce negative PR. Is the iPod not enough of a challenge for you?

RB>> These devices are basically *gifts*. The Zune team is
RB>> saying, "Here - take this if you want it - but don't take
RB>> it and then slam us after we've given you gear for free."

Right. "Gifts" to random people like Engadget, Rocketboom, Scoble, & people like that. "Gifts" with no strings, right? Oh, except for that "can't say the Zune suck" clause.

RB>> "Dumb."
RB>> You say that about a few too many things. It kind of takes
RB>> the sting out of it.
RB>> I've been watching you in the forums, and after several
RB>> years of dealing with customers, it was pretty easy to
RB>> peg you as one of those people who's never satisfied.
RB>> You're part of a vocal minority that we'll never please.

That's unfortunate that you think that way. Because you're totally wrong on this.
November 14, 2006 12:22 PM
 

Rory said:

Mule -

"I thought the point of a blog was that it gave a voice and a potential audience to anyone with the means of traversing the net. The fact that a “gearhead” puts up a podcast that you find distasteful or that a blogger’s blog is nothing more than a vehicle for complaint is precisely what gives this medium its power; it gives the ordinary schmoe a chance to declare his stupidity , intelligence ,anguish , boredom or  whatever to the world."

Sure, I agree. I actually think that the technology has a lot of potential.

I love the fact that Ricky Gervais can have a podcast that lets him and his crew put out shows without having to deal with all the bullshit involved with established routes of delivering content to the masses. I wonder if we would have had the Ricky Gervais show if it weren't for podcasting.

Or, look at XNA - it's going to make it possible for hobbyists to write games for their Xbox 360s. That technology is really cool, and we're hopefully going to see a lot of truly innovative work that never would have seen the light of day through traditional publishing models.

So, I like the tech. I like the ideas.

But, as I've been saying, I find it *disappointing* that someone who pushed this tech so hard and so far is using it now for something as petty as not getting his way. Considering how much dough Scoble clearly has (the BMW, etc.), there's no reason to be complaining about the Zune team's rules. It's just crap. He can do better (I think).

"I think its pointless getting hysterical about the lack of quality blogs out there , the ones that are good will be read, that’s why I read yours , its entertaining , you give me a sliver of insight into your life , I enjoy it."

I'm not getting hysterical. This is the first meta-blog thought I've posted in a long time. That's hardly getting hysterical.

But, it might seem hysterical to the rest of you. I haven't been reading Scoble regularly because I don't find much of what he says to be all that interesting (not a slam - I just don't care about what lawyer he ate dinner with last weekend, or what company he's about to tour). When I came up to check out what was happening in the rest of the blogosphere yesterday, it was like getting slapped in the face with a cold fish. I ignore the world for a while, and when I pop back into it, I see that it's gone grossly downhill (or was just having a bad day - I don't know).

I had a hard time believing that "I didn't get my toy" rants were the sort of thing that an A-List blogger would be posting. It's even harder to believe that people should care.

"Caveat: do not descend to the level of those you denigrate. Perhaps I am naïve but I believe that you will get the audience you deserve."

I totally disagree with the second statement.

Most likely, you'll get the audience you've chased after.

Scoble is a much better networker than he is a writer, and that's been much more important in his rise to the top of the blogging world than anything else.

It's like the saying, "It's who you know."

It really is.
November 14, 2006 12:23 PM
 

Mike said:

Rory: "It's a network of people who base their authority on how many other people grant them that authority - whether it makes sense to do so or not. "

Nice catch!  BUT, this describes all of human existence.  Taken to a logical extreme, EVERYTHING has value only according to the desires or needs of one or more people.  There is inherently no inherent value in anything.  Take gold for example.  Who cares about gold?  A lot of people, so gold is worth hundreds of dollars per ounce.  And dog poop?  Who cares about it?  Nobody at all, and people would have to pay to have somebody take it away, if they didn't do it themselves -- which means that those who take it away for a fee might value it, but only according to the extent it provides them a living, and no farther.

So is the blogosphere something of value or not?  Take Scoble.  Who cares?  About 250,000 people.  Compare him to me.  Who cares?  I don't know if anyone reads MY blog.  I think it is one of those "write only" blogs.  And I don't do very much of that, either.

All economics is based on perceived value.  And it is highly subjective.
November 14, 2006 12:30 PM
 

Eamon Nerbonne said:

You know - you're right - Scoble's was just whining.  If he'd made the observation Minh did, that with a restriction on negative opinions, you can't take any opinions seriously and are left wondering what flaws Zune is hiding, he might of had a point....
November 14, 2006 12:34 PM
 

George said:


"I wonder if there's another blogosphere out there somewhere that just deals with content - people who "blog" because they enjoy writing, and not because they're trying to win favors from people or trade in their popularity for "power" and gadgets, and who don't whine and complain when they don't get their way...

Time to start searching."


Rory, Rory, Rory.

Sounds like it's time for Rory Blyth/Channel9 to make a community blogging site with some general content rules.

Plenty of people out there who don't do the old link exchange and just write things because they love to write. So now set the trap and attract them all to the same place.

Create your own little slice of content heaven Mr. Blyth.
November 14, 2006 12:34 PM
 

Mule said:

Rory -

Let me rephrase that -
You will get the quality of audience you deserve.
November 14, 2006 12:36 PM
 

Rory said:

Mike -

"All economics is based on perceived value.  And it is highly subjective."

That's a great way of summarizing what it is that's been bugging me.

I didn't know how to say it so succinctly. But there it is.
November 14, 2006 1:02 PM
 

Rory said:

Eamon -

"You know - you're right - Scoble's was just whining.  If he'd made the observation Minh did, that with a restriction on negative opinions, you can't take any opinions seriously and are left wondering what flaws Zune is hiding, he might of had a point...."

It's not much of an observation.

If you think that the average review out there isn't skewed, then you're out of your mind.

Whether implicit or explicit, the quality of a review is quite possibly going to be affected based on how the item to be reviewed came into the possession of the reviewer.

There was an argument once on an internal MS mailing list about whether or not MS employeed should have been given free 360s (let's just forget about how ridiculous that would be for a moment and move on).

If we *had* been given free 360s, then how sympathetic do you think we would have been to customers and their problems with the machine? Probably not nearly as sympathetic as we'd be if we had each shelled out several hundred bucks for one of the devices.

I think that, if you're going to review something, you should review it under the same conditions that the customer will have to deal with - beginning with having to pay for the device.

That's not the point, though. The point is that it's embarrassing that the A-List has turned into a place for people to whine until they get their way.
November 14, 2006 1:07 PM
 

Rory said:

George -

"Plenty of people out there who don't do the old link exchange and just write things because they love to write. So now set the trap and attract them all to the same place. "

::meekly::

...where are they?

"Create your own little slice of content heaven Mr. Blyth."

I've been thinking this morning about how to go about doing that.

I have some ideas, but first I need to find a good group of people who are genuinely talented writers.
November 14, 2006 1:14 PM
 

Rory said:

Mule -

"Let me rephrase that -
You will get the quality of audience you deserve."

That makes a helluva lot more sense.

Yeah. I agree with that.

In fact, that's one of the first things I've read today that makes me feel at all better about the situation (the other thing was George's comment).

Thanks for cheering me up - whether you meant to or not.

I'd like to think that it's still possible to do a good job of this whole blogging thing. Yesterday's stroll through the BlogoSphere (the BS) was a bit demoralizing.
November 14, 2006 1:18 PM
 

George said:

"I have some ideas, but first I need to find a good group of people who are genuinely talented writers."

I won't be shy in admitting I'm finding that one hurting when it probably shouldn't...

If you want to talk over some ideas, I have a few on how this would work. Wifey runs a digital scrapbooking site and the way that they do their creative teams is very similar to how I see a great site working for you.
November 14, 2006 1:31 PM
 

Minh said:

RB>> It's not much of an observation.

Heh! I'm just gaming my way onto a Channel 9 video.
November 14, 2006 1:53 PM
 

Rory said:

George -

"I won't be shy in admitting I'm finding that one hurting when it probably shouldn't..."

That isn't what I meant at all.

When I go to your site, it looks like you're mostly a geek blogger, you know? I mean, you write well, but you write mostly about tech stuff.

What I'm really looking for is a group of people (or to form a group of people) who write well, but mostly in anecdotal form. The kind of stuff I used to do around here on a regular basis before...

...well, before this thing happened that I'm not going to talk about which has made it damned near impossible for me to write.

Long effing story there. Trust me.

Should be over soon, but...

Yeah.
November 14, 2006 2:36 PM
 

Neopoleon said:

I wrote a post yesterday of which I'm not terribly proud. No - not the Yoda one. I dig the Yoda one....
November 14, 2006 2:46 PM
 

Carlos said:

Rory,

All I have to say is, THANK GOD FOR YOU. You've said what most of us have probably been thinking about for a long time.
November 14, 2006 9:06 PM
 

paul said:

Edelman PR is to blame, they are handing out the Zunes and creating lame blogs;
http://www.zune.net/en-us/social/launchevents/newyork.htm  
November 15, 2006 7:19 AM
 

Montoya said:

Rory, I think the kind of blogging you are looking for can be found at http://9rules.com. I'll admit I'm a member of the network but I truly believe that the majority of the blogs there are written by people who blog because they love to do it and the standard of quality is pretty high across the network. I've heard many of the same gripes from members in the network and I think you could find some voices you will really like.
December 4, 2006 5:27 PM
 

Montoya said:

"I've heard many of the same gripes from members" that is, in regards to Scoble and other A-list blogs.
December 4, 2006 5:29 PM
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