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A Short and Thought-Provoking Quote About... God

While reading a book on writing tonight, I came across a quote from a literary critic. The section of the book I was reading was about point of view in fiction, and that's basically what the quote is about (when read in context). But, after reading the quote, I couldn't help but pause and think for a while.

As many of you know, I'm a steadfast practicing atheist, but I'm not a jerk about it. As long as you don't push your belief system on me, I won't push mine on you, and everything's cool.

I actually enjoy thinking about God. And the universe. And stuff like that.

That's why I loved this quote.

And here it is (authored by Elias Canetti):

It is very difficult for me to connect Tolstoy's discontent with his belief in God. Sometimes I think he believes in God in order not to admit his belief in himself; in order not to be arrogant. It is a real question, an immensely serious question: What takes the place of God when one is concerned with human beings and not with oneself? Does one need God in order not to become all too important to oneself? Does there have to be a final and supreme authority to whom one delegates responsibility? What control would one have if one permitted it to oneself? Agreement with oneself as the highest authority represents a sizeable part of corrupting power. How can this be prevented without the belief in God?

I went ahead and bolded text that particularly interested me.

These are questions I've pondered, but not so clearly as they're presented here.

I especially like this business about arrogance in the absence of a belief in God. It's been said occasionally that I'm a bit arrogant (although it's said mostly about my online persona - much less often about the "real" me). I wonder how much of that is a lack of feeling humbled by things far greater than myself.

I own a couple telescopes, and, when I was a teenager, I used them regularly. Some of my fondest memories are of sitting outside in the winter, freezing my ass off, and looking at the rings of Saturn, or the miniscule dots that were the four largest moons of Jupiter. Those nights left me with a profound sense of being part of something amazing and massive. I felt very small against the little visions that entered one end of my telescope and exited into my eye. It was humbling to be amazed by the rings of another planet when I knew that there were countless other planets orbiting countless other stars throughout the universe. I guessed that what I felt was probably similar to the humility felt by those who believe in God.

Even so, it's different. Typically, a god isn't delivered alone. You buy into the whole package, including religious texts, laws, morals, and so on. The universe came to me without any of those things. The universe just is. In that respect, even though I feel humbled by this universe thing, it doesn't give me any reason not to feel arrogant.

The quote causes me to think about how important I am to myself. It makes me wonder if I consider myself to be the highest authority in respect to myself. At the same time, I wonder if that's a bad thing. What if my answer to these questions is a simple "Yes"? Am I a bad guy? Am I corrupt? Why would it be bad to be arrogant, or to believe that I am my own highest authority?

And there are still other scenarios...

Let's pretend for a moment that God doesn't exist (this is not to start an argument about the existence of God - it's just another way of looking at the questions raised by the quote). In this case, wouldn't putting one's faith in God as the highest authority actually be the same as putting one's faith in oneself as the highest authority? That is, if God doesn't exist, then God would just be a figment of the imagination, and so indirectly become the highest authority in someone's life.

Interesting, no? Maybe not for some of you. But I certainly think so.

Anyway, that's all the pondering I'm going to do tonight. It's time to go to bed.

But... that's quite the quote up there, methinks...

Published Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:20 PM by Rory

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Captain Underscore said:

Branch of science with the largest percentage of believers in God: Astronomy
December 6, 2006 11:40 PM
 

Erik Porter said:

Definitely an interesting quote.

I think being arrogant in the way that you mention isn't a bad thing as long as your respect for others is equally high.  Like everything I believe in, it's all about balance.  You've got to look out for # 1, but you have to look out for others as well.  Balance.

I think God and religion in general, should be different for each person.  I know that kind of goes against what religions seem to be all about, but that's me.  Mr. Half Christian.  ;)  But you'd probably guess that from me talking about balance too much.  ;)
December 7, 2006 12:04 AM
 

John Walker said:

Interesting thoughts to say the least. As you know, there is a difference between religion and a belief in God. Being a Roman Catholic guy, I've been raised with all of it's rituals, beliefs and conventions. As with anyone, you come to love those things, especially the rituals...the midnight Christmas mass, the baptisms, first communions, weddings. Humans love engaging in things they've become familiar with. Of course, there are things that trouble me about my religion too.

However, when I begin to think about the universe, the galaxies, our galaxy, it's hard for me to believe that there isn't some greater force at work. Call that God or call it whatever, it's hard for me to contemplate that it just exists...or maybe it doesn't really exist and is something else...philosophy anyone? But either way, it's hard to believe there isn't something else bigger at play.

Such a cool thing to think about.
December 7, 2006 12:26 AM
 

Massif said:

When I was (I like to think only slightly) younger than I am now, I came to the conclusion that I was the most important person in my life. Not because I was so awesome that no-one else mattered, but because if I wasn't in my life then there wouldn't be a life for me to live, and then the entire universe (from my point of view) would cease to exist.

I still think that, but even so place the feelings of my friends and family above my own - because making them happy makes me happy. Does that make me selfish? I don't think it does any more than thinking I'm the most important person in my world makes me arrogant. Despite the fact I think I'm the most important person in my world, I wouldn't say I was the highest authority in my world; I regularly defer to other people as authorities in my world. In much the same way that people defer to Doctors or Therapists as being authorities on their bodies / personalities.

I don't think that believing I'm the centre of my world is the beginning of corruption, probably because I've managed to remember that it's just my world I'm the centre of, and if I died then it would have a pretty minimal impact on everyone else's world. But for me, the Universe would end.

In conclusion - the interesting part for me is: "Does there have to be a final and supreme authority to whom one delegates responsibility?" I think not, the Universe has laws, but needs no-one to enforce them; There's no need for a supreme authority. So the corruption charges make no sense, and there's no need for god. (That starts to look like a circular argument, but I can't be bothered to pick it all apart at this point.)
December 7, 2006 1:02 AM
 

Massif said:

Ooops.. Sorry for messing up the design with that hugely long link.
December 7, 2006 1:59 AM
 

Dale said:

I see no option than to "agree with oneself as the highest authority". There is no other way to take full responsibility for ones actions and to truly enjoy the immense power we each have within ourselves. Only when one can appreciate this can one fully take control of their life and give true value to those around us.

This is my reality and you are a guest within it.
December 7, 2006 2:31 AM
 

derek said:

The first name that popped into my head when I read the quote was President Bush - God, arrogant, highest authority... corrupting power.  

Seriously though, I don't mean it in a "crazy liberal Bush-bashing" sense either.  I was simply looking at the quote in the opposite sense.  Can in a deep belief in God CAUSE you to be too arrogant?  Can it cause you to believe that your on "God's side" and what you're doing is unquestionably right?
December 7, 2006 5:19 AM
 

Mike D said:

This doesn’t make sense.

‘In this case, wouldn't putting one's faith in God as the highest authority actually be the same as putting one's faith in oneself as the highest authority?’

If faith were a beer, your example would be akin to pouring it into a mug that simply is not there.

There is a marked difference in the spilled wasted beer/faith that sits in a puddle on my counter and the cold delicious beer/faith that I pour directly into my gullet.

I just need to moderate how much faith I put in myself, as I tend to have an over-inflated sense-of-self when I drink too much.

Yo.
December 7, 2006 7:57 AM
 

A Short and Thought-Provoking Quote About… God :: Newstack said:

December 7, 2006 9:16 AM
 

Rory said:

Massif -

's OK - I removed the comment.

Sorry - I wouldn't usually do that, but... well... you know... the formatting was all whack and stuff :|
December 7, 2006 11:03 AM
 

theonlysize said:

methinks these quotes are quite up there as well....
http://www.comnett.net/~rex/cslewis.htm
December 7, 2006 1:38 PM
 

Eric said:

The problem I have with the quote is the idea that a belief in god means you won't be corrupt, that an atheist is the most corrupt person because they have no moral authority.  My first thought is about every single King who was 'appointed by god'.  

I think it's almost the opposite.  I think when you have a strong belief in a god you give yourself a way out.. GOD told you do this, you didn't want to, GOD told you to.  Catholics have confession, you sin, you confess and everything is ok.

If you have no belief in a god you have no one to unload your problems on.  You are forced to deal with reality more, you are forced to take responsibilty for your actions.  And while religion does play a factor in these things, some people are just a-holes and will be corrupt no matter what they believe.

God is the most supreme excuse for whatever you want to do, because he can't put in his input and he can't be refuted (since he isn't real).  Crusades anyone?? George Bush anyone??
December 7, 2006 1:55 PM
 

barf said:

In the words of Carl Sagan, "but, who made god?",

OMFG, I was here just a few weeks ago and all I would get is a white page on the front of the website. :/ Almost as if my one of the hundreds of ips on one of our subnets was blacklisted. I'm glad I can visit once again.
December 7, 2006 2:40 PM
 

CWisehart said:

I was disappointed in Luis Palau's answer to Carl's question as posed to Luis in the new book "Riverside Talks" basically saying we don't know.  I'm sure Luis would like to have had time to say more about that and think he would agree with my answer.  I know God and also know that I do not know Him well enough to be fully accurate in describing Him to others.  To really know a person one must have a personal relationship with them.  How do I know this God of mine is not a delusion?  I don't, however if he is then all things are and the point is mute.  Like many things in our world view we all have a choice to believe in some things and not is others.  Take free well for instance.  If you choose to believe that all things are predetermined and we are just the clashing of particles and do not really make any choices freely then the worlds is a place without responsibility except maybe for that Jerk who first banged these particles and energies into existence in which case this Jerk really made a mess.  Most have chosen to believe that we have a choices and that we are responsible for a good part of those.  As Cory stated the Universe just is.  Interesting that that is the name God gave to Moses for Himself, the great I AM.  Back to my initial answer to who made God.  Clearly and very elegantly simple is the fact that something as always been.  Something not made but a prime mover.  One may chose to limit this thing that as always been to the material realm.  I choose to believe that God is it and wamo, he spoke to me just as He is speaking to you know thru me.  Believe and find real freedom from the one who made you to be free.

PS I am a lousy writer, just a simple minded manufacturing technician working at Intel so forgive me if my grammar or communication skills are not up to the standards so plainly evident in these places.
December 8, 2006 6:43 AM
 

Matias said:

Rory,

Even if you're a self-proclaimed atheist, it seems like you definitely have a sense for what "God" is and isn't, or, in your case, should and shouldn't be.

You'll be fine.
December 8, 2006 11:29 AM
 

theo said:

Just be. Live by principles that serve you well, whatever that may be over time. Too many rules confuse and distort one's humanity. Guess that's the Taoist in me talking.
December 8, 2006 11:46 PM
 

Erwin Blonk said:

My take on it: Does god exist or not, how did the universe came to be, does this, like, matter?
It is an interesting subject, but not important, not decisive and certainly not life changing for anyone with half a brain.
December 14, 2006 7:13 AM
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