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Cigarettes and Alcohol

This holiday season, substance abuse was my coping mechanism of choice.

I hate the holidays. Everything shuts down. You can't get a cup of coffee. Nobody's baking fresh pastries to put in store windows.

People you love are dead, it's cold outside, it rains, you get the shortest days of the year, the traffic sucks, everybody's rushing to buy the latest creepy toy for their kids (like those dolls that pee and barf and whatever - when did it become fun to change your doll's diapers?), every third guy in the street is dressed as Santa Claus, people start eating weird cake with dried nuts and fruit in it, socks are pinned unhygienically over fireplaces, in-laws are looking for a place to sleep, meals are slaved over, people sip "egg-nog" which is the most disgusting name ever invented for a foodstuff, glass ornaments get dropped, and everybody's wearing the same god-damned sweater with Rudolph the god-damned Red Nosed Reindeer on it, and the little bastard's nose lights up because there's a freaking bulb embedded in the sweater that connects to some enormous battery somewhere, and the most offensive models of which aggress innocent passersby with that irritating Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer song.

Christmas is a gateway drug. All the stress and blinking lights - it forces you to find a way to check out.

Drugs are no longer a part of my life, so they were out of the question.

It was when I was trying to tie the mistletoe into a noose to hang myself with on Christmas Day when I decided I'd give life one more chance, and that the chance would come in the form of absolutely anything in the house that would knock me the hell out.

I was up at the paternal grandfather's house. It's rather isolated, and even when it isn't an official holiday, getting to the supermarket is a chore.

I figured I could whip something up with turkey and nutmeg. Turkey's full of tryptophan which is a precursor to serotonin (one of the "feel good" neurotransmitters), and nutmeg, taken in large quantities, is a hallucinogin. With the right preparation, I could have had a sort of psychedelic Prozac on my hands.

My sister, genius that she is, suggested that I might just try alcohol before resorting to turning my grandfather's kitchen into a meth-lab.

Except for a few lapses here and there, I don't drink. I have a complex migraine thing, and alcohol, traditionally, makes me go blind. It's only temporary, but it's unpleasant all the same. When you can't see things, you bump into those things.

However, going blind would have at least put me in my own little universe, and that wouldn't have been so bad.

Because it was her idea, I sent my sister to round up as much alcohol as she could find. She went to the garage, checked the pantry, went through the refrigerators, checked in bags, and came back with a bunch of glass bottles full of liquid.

She also asked my grandfather if he had any more glass bottles with liquid in them. He shook his head disapprovingly and said, "You're not getting drunk."

I told him that I don't get drunk, and that I can't get drunk - that I'm too physically and emotionally rock-solid - and that if he just gave me all of his glass bottles full of liquid, I could prove it.

There were at this point two possible outcomes for the night, and one of them was that my grandfather was right and that I would get drunk. Although this did turn out to be the case, I'd like to say in my defense that I didn't know there was alcohol in the beer. Nobody said it was going to be that kind of beer. I suddenly understood why he thought I was going to get drunk. It's not my fault somebody put alcohol in the beer.

About twenty-seven bottles of beer into the evening, I was starting to feel it. Nobody else could tell. I was being loud, saying lewd thing, being tremendously obnoxious, and spilling wine all over myself. Nothing looked out of the ordinary.

Inside my head, though, things were getting foggy. The pain of Christmas lifted, and I found solace in holiday debauchery. I had heard that if you drink enough beer, you eventually get drunk, and then pass out. As someone who used to routinely send himself into dreamland by inducing small-scale comas, I had a pretty good idea of what I was going for.

It never happened. I drank and I drank and I drank and I drank and I drank, but it seemed that, the more I drank, the better I felt, and the less inclined I was to pass out.

That night, I saw the power of alcohol. I didn't even go blind. It was amazing.

After that, I decided to drink regularly to see if it would continue to help my psychological disposition. The plan was that I would drink every night until January 2nd, when I could finally rest because the holidays were over.

I did just that. And I learned so very much.

On New Years Eve, I even smoked a cigarette.

I have, then, over the past ten days, indulged in the two most widely abused substances on the planet, and I have important information to pass on:

CIGARETTES AND ALCOHOL ARE MORE DESTRUCTIVE AND DISRUPTIVE THAN MANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES OF ABUSE.

That's right. I've Been There and Done That when it comes to substance abuse. Through all the years, cigarettes and alcohol are the two drugs I avoided.

I used to have a problem with opiates. I was in a horrible, horrible place, and they gave me relief. That's all there is to it. On what was probably the worst day of 2006, my then-boss sent me to Las Vegas to give an MSDN Events presentation. My grandmother's funeral was on Tuesday. The talk was on Thursday. For some reason, the bastard thought it was acceptable to tell me to leave my family - when they needed me and I needed them - to fly out just to give a four-hour talk that could have been given by anyone else on the team. It wasn't even my territory. The guy who was supposed to do that talk - a friend of mine - had a lunch scheduled with Robert Scoble and Chris Pirillo that Thursday, and it conflicted with the talk.

I was being sent to give this talk because of a lunch.

When I pointed this out to the boss, telling him that I was in absolutely no condition to go give the talk, and that he should send someone else, he laughed and told me there was no way it was going to happen.

So, I went. It wasn't the customers' fault my boss was an asshole.

When I got there, and so I could make it through the day, I stopped in my rental car to insuffalate about 200mg of powdered morphine, which is enough to kill a family of Catholic rhinos.

I got up there and gave the talk. Nobody in the audience knew any better. I could still function just fine. Granted, being addicted to something was a nightmare I'd never like to repeat, but...

When friends and family found out about the extent of my problem, I got a lot of lectures. They told me I was dying, that I was killing myself, and that my drug of choice was a Really Bad Thing, the use of which was morally reprehensible.

What drove me nuts was that, half the time, I got that lecture from someone who was drinking, someone who was smoking, or someone who was drinking and smoking. The hypocrisy was lost on them, as smokers and drinkers don't like to refer to cigarettes and alcohol as "drugs" - they're just cigarettes and alcohol. Drugs are "illegal," and that's the difference, so what they were doing was good, and what I was doing was bad.

As much as it bothered me, I saw it all in the abstract. I didn't actually know what it was like to drink booze and smoke cigarettes. I know quite a few people who drink themselves out of their minds everyday, and people who have to take breaks from whatever they're doing every fifteen minutes to satisfy their craving for the totally-not-drugs cigarettes.

If this stuff is legal, and if everybody does it, then my guess was that it wasn't all that bad.

I was so, so wrong.

Here's why.

---- Alcohol ----

After ten days of drinking, I can't believe alcohol is legal.

Let's take a look at the effects of this totally-not-a-drug:

  • Disinhibition - If you're too scared to sing karaoke, then you won't be five beers from now. It's like the outgoing filter on idiotic behavior gets shut down. I like a bit of the silly myself, but I've never done a drug that made me so un-self-aware that I thought it would be a good idea to get on stage and massacre Madonna songs with a raspy voice and tone-deafness. That comes naturally to me. But at least I know I'm making an ass out of myself.
  • Aggression - The only times in recent years that I've been in scrapes or potential scrapes, alcohol was a factor. I haven't had any stoners take a swing, but a little booze seems to bring out the worst in people. It might have to do with a potential effect alcohol has on testosterone levels. That combined with the disinhibition might also explain why the worst sexual experiences of my life took place around alcohol.
  • Stupidity - I've noticed that people who drink want you to drink as well. They don't like to get sloppy with a sober person. I usually take off in those situations, as they're downhill for someone who likes conversation. Now I know why they want you to booze it up, too - I caught myself saying incredibly stupid things this week while drinking. You reveal too much, say too much, and do too much. Common sense disappears, and so does good judgment. It's amazing.
  • Confidence - Add this to the stupidity and aggression, and you get people who think they're "just fine" to drive. Thousands of people die each year in the US in alcohol-related traffic accidents. What's amazing is that alcohol is available just about everywhere, and you typically have to drive to these places. Some states even have drive-thru liquor stores. And it's legal.
  • Total Breakdown of Cognitive Functioning - My mom called me the other night and got on my case about why I've been avoiding her. The call lasted at least a couple hours, and as it went on and on, she got nasty. Just inexcusable. Yelling, lying, accusing... early on, I told her it sounded like she'd been drinking, and that I'd rather not have that discussion until she was sober. She insisted that she hadn't touched anything that night, but by the end of the call, she was slurring her speech, losing track of what she was saying, going from mad to sad to mad to sad - it was insane. And this is how many other people I know wind up after they've been drinking. They lose all control and meddle in other peoples' lives, probably driving them nuts. But it's Ok because alcohol's legal.
  • Total Breakdown of Physical Functioning - Barfing, diarrhea, marathon pissing, belching, loss of coordination, loss of peripheral vision, distorted sense of taste, smell, and just about everything else. You can't see, and even if you could, you couldn't control where your feet should go next. You walk like a half-melted Gumby.

Those are just a few things off the top of my head.

Your eyes go bloodshot, your face goes red, and you have to repeatedly excuse yourself to hit the powder-room because you've put six gallons of liquid into your body so you could feel this way. The problem is that the liquid doesn't fit inside your body, so it has to go somewhere. Most often, where it goes is "out".

Which leads us to the breath. The breath of a drinker is one of the rankest things an alcoholic will never notice. It's uncontrollable - you can't pop a mint and cover it up. Alcohol exists the bloodstream through the lungs. You simply can't do anything about it, and it's foul. Especially in people who drink regularly, and who have that rotting gut vapor constantly fuming its way out of their innards.

It ruins your body. The calories add up, and you put on tons of weight. Your liver gets trashed, your brain gets trashed, and your kidneys get worked over. It burns your stomach, prevents the absorption of nutrients, and finds its way out of your body in all of the most graceless ways physically possible.

It's extremely addictive, and the withdrawals associated with quitting - or just not getting your fix on time - are potentially life-threatening. If you don't taper off, and if you're a genuine alcoholic (and a lot of people are), you can have seizures within one to three days of quitting cold-turkey.

And this stuff is legal!

---- Cigarettes ----

While I was on a roll with the booze, I decided I'd go all the way and give smoking a try. People love to match smoking with drinking. Something about the combo makes them happy.

So, on New Years Eve, I smoked a cigarette. I believe it was a Pall Mall, though I'm not certain. It tasted how I imagine it would taste if I shoved my head up a monkey's ass and then stuck my tongue out.

Some observations:

  • Rapid Onset - I've never done a drug that hit me so fast as nicotine by way of smoke-inhalation. I felt a sort of calmness hit me within just a few seconds of the first drag. It was clearly different from what I was already feeling, and as I continued to smoke, that same feeling grew stronger. I don't care how you do your drugs - swallowing, skin creams, the patch, IV, insuffilation - none of it has ever hit me so quickly.
  • General Sense of Well-Being - The appeal of the drug was obvious. I felt calm, but not drowsy. Oddly, I also suddenly felt alert. It was as though my emotional state was leveled out and then boosted. Very strange.
  • Short Duration of Action - It leaves almost as quickly as it arrives. I understand now why people have to take breaks so often to smoke, and also why some chain-smoke. It just comes and goes.

You take these three things, and you have the worst scenario for a substance of abuse.

Drugs that hit you quickly are abused because people like the "rush" - they love that immediate wall of whatever-it-is-that-turns-their-crank to hit them full on.

Drugs that make you feel good about things have obvious abuse potential.

Drugs that work for a very short amount of time before ditching you back in your original state (if not worse) lead you to want to indulge each time you come down.

This is exactly why cocaine is so addictive. It hits you quickly, makes you feel like a bajillion dollars, and then it drops you, so you do more.

The difference is that, for reasons I cannot - even with the vast intellectual resources at my disposal - understand, cigarettes are legal. They're even still somewhat socially-acceptable.

Over time, they stop working, of course. That's what happens with drugs. There's a downregulation of activity in the specific bits of the brain nicotine tickles. It can happen in many ways, but it happens. The brain goes for homeostasis. Whatever you do to it, it tries to counter. This leaves you a total mess when you decide to stop doing it, as it takes a while for your brain to get back to normal. That's the weeks (and even months) of emotional and physical turbulence you experience.

It makes you smell like shit. If you're a non-smoker and you kiss a smoker, the first thing you notice is that their mouths taste like rotten eggs. The next thing you notice is that you don't want to kiss them anymore. Just after that, you notice that you're instinctively keeping your face at a safe distance from the odoriferously offending orifice. Just after that, you find yourself in the uncomfortable position of having to explain to the person to whom the stinky mouth is attached that you'd rather have your eye poked out by a 747 than continue with this torture.

Then there's the cancer, heart disease, and other associated conditions that ruin your life and the lives of the people around you.

But don't let any of this bother you, 'cause this stuff is legal.

---- How do you like them apples? ----

Don't misunderstand me - I've really enjoyed my time with booze. I even enjoyed the cigarette, though I don't see myself administering nicotine to myself on a regular basis, as it's really hard to position my head in such a way that it doesn't have to smell itself.

I'm going to continue drinking. It's the only drug I've ever done that knocks me senseless and makes it impossible for me to tie my shoes, let alone think about what's bugging me in life.

I like the disinhibition. It makes it easier to be chummy with people.

I love beer. If non-alcoholic beer tasted like real beer, I'd drink it. I've been having quite the time drinking fancy-shmancy beer. Went out with this lovely girl last night and we went for the beer that was about $35 a pint. It's good. More expensive than a moderate supply of opiates and not as pleasing, but it's legal and easily accessible. You also get to be the one wagging your finger at all the people out there doing drugs. They're bad. They're really bad people.

I've been lucky so far in that, despite having imbibed enough that I could barely stand, I haven't had a hangover. I got a little queasy one day, but it quickly passed. Aside from that, it's been pretty nice.

However, now that I've been there and gotten to do the drugs everybody else does, I've gotta say - I'm pretty ticked off. The holier-than-thou attitude I got from drinkers and smokers who disapproved of my drug use is no longer just annoying - it's downright offensive.

The next time a smoker or a drinker wags a disapproving finger at me for my former drug use, I'm going to take advantage of my alcohol-induced disinhibition, aggression, and stupidity to break it.


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Published Friday, January 04, 2008 12:12 AM by Rory

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Comments

 

Andrew said:

While I don't think people have to indulge in follies before they are entitled to criticize them, I respect your desire to test the waters in a relatively safe environment. I also share your distaste for those who refuse to admit that booze and cigs (and hosts of other readily and legally available substances: caffeine, sleeping pills, ibuprofen, etc.) are somehow NOT drugs. They're externally applied chemicals that affect the body's processing of its own signals; to me, that's pretty much the textbook definition of drugs.

Truthfully, what it boils down to is that tobacco and alcohol have always been huge industries, and so they're allowed to flourish, whereas other drugs didn't have widespread support and got banned. It's all about capitalism. We don't need consistency of moral and ethical values when there are profits to be won!
January 4, 2008 2:11 AM
 

Rory said:

Andrew -

You know what's weird? I'll tell you what's weird. So as not to keep you in suspense, I'm going to commence real soon now with the telling. Specifically, the telling of what's weird. Which reminds me:

You know what's weird?

Sometimes I'll write a post, and I'll "know" (to feel strongly in the gollywots) that:

1. You'll be the first to respond.

2. You'll totally get what I'm saying.

I remember telling you as much in another post, though I'd probably have to spend the next three hours searching for it to point it out.

Yep.

That's what's weird.
January 4, 2008 2:52 AM
 

bada bing said:

You might enjoy these lyrics:

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/streets/theironyofitall.html

It's a conversation between Terry (who likes his beer) and Tim (who likes something else).
January 4, 2008 4:56 AM
 

Andrew said:

I can totally explain why you knew I'd respond quickly. You heard my coughing spasms every time I tried to lie down and sleep, and knew that I'd end up at my computer checking websites while waiting for my bronchial passages to settle down.

And I totally get what you're saying because what you're saying makes total sense. I would question the motives, or the intelligence, of anyone who tried to convince you that alcohol and tobacco aren't horrible for you, mentally and physically.
January 4, 2008 6:09 AM
 

Lloyd_Humph said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlI_I1fZTrg

good song :)

Also, go for the alcohol... just don't get too hooked. You're souding like somebody who not WANTS it but NEEDS it to feel more socially acceptable. I've known drunks, and trust me, you don't want to be one. You're a cool guy, and if you get all alchie on us, your posts will go down the drain and they'll get shorter and less interesting.. and none of us wants that. This is the best blog I read on the web, don't go throwing that away.

Be careful, mmm'kay?
January 4, 2008 6:48 AM
 

Celes said:

Don't you know, Rory, if it's legal that makes it moral and if it's illegal, that makes it amoral. C'mon- baah with the rest of us now!

As someone who was never even been drunk once until after college, and has family who all have legal substance abuse problems, I totally hear ya. And cigarettes, yeah, gross.... unless you're drunk- drunk enough that is.

Every time I've been very drunk, which is not a lot, very weird things have happened. These are things that I have not even come close to while trying things socially unacceptable / illegal.

This New Years was like that again. Weird shit went down. When I weigh it with last New Years, it was at least it was weird and I can live with it in the morning (while being enjoyable at the time)- and not weird and 'Oh, shit, what happened? Um, it's all coming back and I'm not liking it'.

I don't understand the classifications and legalities of mind altering substances at all. If someone were to ask me the times I've been most 'f-ed up' on something, it'd be the times I was drunk- not the times I was being 'experimental'.

So, enjoy your fancy beer, but no one wants a fat, smelly, always uninhibited, violent Rory. I like to have a drink when I go out, but that too is very different from the drinking we were both doing on New Years.

New Years should really be renamed. There's: Drinking Day Eve and Sleeping Day.
January 4, 2008 11:57 AM
 

Celes said:

Oh, and by the by, it's good to have you back with us. :)
January 4, 2008 12:01 PM
 

xtine said:

Just to set the record straight:

1. technically, it was New Years Day when you had said cigarette
2. said cigarette was a Parliament Light, not Pall Mall
3. after a few puffs of this cigarette, you took off running down the block like the f-ing Energizer Bunny

And I agree that people who say that booze and cigarettes aren't "drugs" are total morons....and also, wouldn't caffeine fall under that category as well?  (See libretto text of Bach's "Coffee Cantata". Great piece of music!)
January 4, 2008 12:11 PM
 

Blue said:

Sorry Rory but I don't totally agree with you. You can't compare addictive and efficient drugs like whatever pills you used to pop, illicit substances and alcohol. You take one pill and you're stoned. You smoke one joint of pot, hashisch or sniff/smoke/inject whatever drug and you're stoned. You drink a glass of wine or a beer and you're not drunk nor stoned.

Can you organize a pill/drug tasting evening? Such an event sounds hip but I don't believe anyone could actually "taste" anything.

There are thousands different beers and some bajillions different wines to taste and enjoy in the world without necessarily becoming drunk of alcoholic.

The problem is compulsively consuming a substance (can be anything, from sugar to dope and alcohol) to the point that you become intoxicated then addicted to that something and the result is indisputably bad for your physical and/or mental health.

However, as most people know when it's time to slow down on booze, I guess alcohol is only mildly addictive and can be safely enjoyed socially from time to time. And when I drink wine with my meal in good company, I may become less shy but never to the point of becoming someone else.

As for tobacco, I cannot say much else than it's quite addictive and can be considered a drug. I never smoked, never felt like trying to smoke and have hated the cigarette smell since I was a child. My parents were heavy smokers and I hated seeing them not being able to live without a pack of cigarettes. My mom used to call me at school to ask me when I hid her "drug". ;)

Rory, your latest experience consisted in replacing an abuse of substance with the abuse of another substance and you didn't prove anything else than abuse is bad for you. You could have done the same with food, sex, anything, and the result would have been the same. Abuse and addictions are bad, that's it. Did you know that you could kill yourself by drinking more water that your body can absorb (overhydration)?
January 5, 2008 6:15 AM
 

Blue said:

Two obvious mistakes ... sorry.

/There are thousands different beers and some bajillions different wines to taste and enjoy in the world without necessarily becoming drunk OR alcoholic.

/My mom used to call me at school to ask me WHERE I hid her "drug". ;)

Geia sou apo thn Athina.
January 5, 2008 8:01 AM
 

Celes said:

"You drink a glass of wine or a beer and you're not drunk nor stoned."

So all of my friends who are drunk after one glass of beer or wine are imaginary. I wonder what they would have to say to that.

"You take one pill and you're stoned. You smoke one joint of pot, hashisch or sniff/smoke/inject whatever drug and you're stoned. "

Not that I'm a stoner, but you can take a puff of a joint and just be a bit buzzed. And one pill? I'm not sure what your point is here. People who do pills pop a lot more than one (which is a generalization since I'm not sure what pills you're referring to- this is pretty broad).

And I'll note you totally avoided psychedelics.

Is alcohol exactly like every other drug out there? No- as a matter of fact, no two drugs are exactly alike. And just because you like wine tastings and can enjoy it moderately doesn't make it alcohol "mildly addictive" by a long shot or 'not a dangerous drug'.

I have known so many alcoholics and have yet to meet someone addicted to shrooms.

I think the way you're lumping all other illegal drugs VS alcohol without knowing what is in that other category is just the sort of hypocrisy the smart man was getting at. Being addicted to alcohol, in my personal experience, is *just as bad* as any other drug addiction- maybe even worse because it's somehow acceptable and therefore easy for them to maintain their habits and hurt the ones they love.

I do believe in moderation- but to act like alcohol is the only drug out there that can be used safely and moderately and isn't very addictive- I'm going to have to disagree quite a bit there.
January 5, 2008 9:03 AM
 

Blue said:

I wasn't trying to be an expert in drugs, Celes. what would be the point in naming them all, including psychedelics? Should I've tried them all? I have friends who lose half of their IQ when they are on marihuana, so I don't feel like losing half of mine. You never know... I could pee in my pants and find it funny.

You said "Being addicted to alcohol, in my personal experience, is *just as bad* as any other drug addiction."

Well, didn't I say that all addictions are bad? Tolerance to alcohol is certainly relative, but does that invalidate what I'm saying about knowing one's own limits and respecting them? I said that abuse and addictions - speaking of anything - are bad.

Sorry, but we have to be responsible of ourselves a bit more and stop wanting to replace common sense by laws and general rules applicable to everyone without exception. I won't lecture you and try to make you feel bad if you love to eat sweets just because I am diabetic and I can't eat any at the risk of being very sick or dying.
January 5, 2008 1:37 PM
 

Chris said:

I smoked for 6 years before I quit and I drink at least 3 times a week. It seems like a big event for you.

"Being addicted to alcohol, in my personal experience, is *just as bad* as any other drug addiction."
If you've ever smoked weed, you would know there is a huge difference between the 2. I would say drinking occasionally is better than smoking weed occasionally by far for your brain.
January 5, 2008 2:21 PM
 

ghost dog said:

Blue: The problem is that you're French. Hence you can enjoy a sophistication (in the consumption of wine and pretty much everything else) not available to most mortals.
January 5, 2008 5:51 PM
 

Pages tagged "Paternal" said:

January 5, 2008 6:43 PM
 

Celes said:

"If you've ever smoked weed, you would know there is a huge difference between the 2."

Note that I said, "Is alcohol exactly like every other drug out there? No- as a matter of fact, no two drugs are exactly alike."

"I wasn't trying to be an expert in drugs, Celes. what would be the point in naming them all, including psychedelics?"
"You can't compare addictive and efficient drugs like whatever pills you used to pop, illicit substances and alcohol."

It sounded to me like you were being pretty judgmental and speaking as sort of an expert, saying that you can't compare alcohol to illicit substances or pills. He did compare them, and he can, because they are drugs he's had experiences with and found parallels between.

"Should I've tried them all?"

I'm not saying try any. I'm saying don't make big sweeping judgments. You know a lot about using alcohol responsibly. That's great. People can also use other substances responsibly and abuse them as well.

"I guess alcohol is only mildly addictive"
I totally disagree. It's very addictive to a lot of people. It can kill you if you suddenly try to get off it. Just like anything, some people are more affected by its addictive qualities than others- it's been linked to genetics. Consider yourself lucky that you have had experiences that lead you to believe it's mildly addictive. I've seen the opposite.

Though I have tried both, I don't smoke pot or drink regularly. I think either can be abused with very negative results or used in moderation. I'm sorry to hear that is has not been the case for your friends, Blue, but it seems we run with a different sort of crowd. In all the people I know, the effects of using a lot of pot have been an increased chance in being unable to find ones keys immediately. The effects of a lot of alcohol have been deadly to themselves and the people around them. Maybe it is because you're French. :) This is just my personal experiences.

"I have friends who lose half of their IQ when they are on marihuana, so I don't feel like losing half of mine. You never know... I could pee in my pants and find it funny."

In my personal experience, no one I've known has accidentally peed in their pants when they were stoned on weed. Accidentally peeing oneself is defiantly something I attribute to drinking too much. I know people who have done that, and even someone who accidentally peed on someone while drunk (thought they were in the bathroom, were in the bedroom).

"we have to be responsible of ourselves a bit more and stop wanting to replace common sense by laws and general rules applicable to everyone without exception."

That I fully agree with, especially since legality hasn't stopped people from abusing substances, and never will.

Lalala... writing overly long comments... quite fun.
January 5, 2008 7:43 PM
 

Andrew said:

Blue: I regret to inform you that your understanding of drugs and their effects is straight out of 1950s U.S. government scare literature, and is not backed up by the experience of ANY of the dozens of drug users I have known in my life. You undermine your point -- and it is a good one, that addictions to anything are bad -- by posting blatant inaccuracies as facts.

Oh, and if you got stoned and peed your pants, I would certainly think it was funny, whether or not you did. Of course, I think you'd be a lot more likely to pee your pants if you were drunk than if you were stoned.
January 5, 2008 7:52 PM
 

Rory said:

Andrew -

"I can totally explain why you knew I'd respond quickly. You heard my coughing spasms every time I tried to lie down and sleep, and knew that I'd end up at my computer checking websites while waiting for my bronchial passages to settle down."

Well, of COURSE *that's* part of it.

But, except for that one time you said something about my writing - which I took in exactly the opposite way you intended - we seem to be pretty much in sync on a lot of stuff.

Aside from that... it *is* weird that I get the "Andrew's going to be the first to comment, and it's going to be something to which I can reply, 'You bet your ass, Andrew - you're so right.'"

I think it highlights the degree to which we agree on crap. It's neat.

If you disagree with any of this, you aren't really Andrew. I'll find you out. And then, like in the good old days of BBSing, I'll tell you I'm a super hax0r and that I'm going to aim missiles at your house. I might even say I'm going to fire them. Sort of a Bay of Pigs thing.

Maybe that didn't happen to everybody, but I did get a threat like that once. I took it very seriously and hid under my blanket.
January 6, 2008 12:02 AM
 

Rory said:

Lloyd -

"good song :)"

It's what I had in mind when titling the post. That whole album is effing fantastic. As are most of the songs on most of the albums that followed. The only thing I can't find - and this is frustrating as hell - is the US Wonderwall single with 'Round Are Way on it (I'm pretty sure that's how they spelled it). I have a live DVD version, and I'll probably wind up ripping it, but I still want the damn single.

They get no respect in the states. There's more concern over their obvious influences than there is over the songwriting. Noel own up to it beautifully, though - I don't remember his exact words, but he said something like, "Of course we want to be the Beatles. I think it's a waste of time if you get into rock and roll if you don't want to be the Beatles."

The words are probably way off, but the sentiment is exact.

I don't care where the influence came from as long as they write good songs, and Noel is an amazing songwriter.

They also get crap for their attitudes, but their attitudes are total rock and roll. They're assholes, but they're not *just* assholes - they're really entertaining assholes. And the fights Noel and Liam get into are fantastic. I don't agree with much of what they say (when being assholes), but I love how they say it. You're *supposed* to have attitude in a band like that. That seems to have gotten lost with all the manufactured bullcrap emo bands out there. Not that they don't ever make good music - just that I'd probably want to headbutt them if we were out having coffee together.

They're also totally legit. They started off poor as hell (like anybody else in Manchester (pretty much)), and they dug themselves out. They don't care about cred being affected by making money - they *want* the money. I would, too. If you think your integrity can be compromised by cashing a check, then you probably didn't have any to begin with. Integrity isn't as superficial as, say, a Porsche.

"Also, go for the alcohol... just don't get too hooked."

The experiment is over, and what I've found is that I like small quantities - maybe 2-3 beers - and I'd like to keep the drinking to one night a week. I *love* good beer, and I've been getting to drink it again after such a long health-imposed hiatus. These past two weeks were a novelty than they were the template for a new lifestyle. I couldn't possibly keep up with alcohol the way the alcoholics do, nor would I want to. I've written almost nothing, and my voice is trashed - since writing and singing are my two favorite outlets, drinking regularly isn't even an option.

It's tough drinking - it takes a lot of work.

"You're souding like somebody who not WANTS it but NEEDS it to feel more socially acceptable."

It's the other way around - I'll still walk into a room like I own it if I'm sober, but I've been learning recently that it's easier for me to open up to people if I've knocked myself a little off center.

I have a hard time letting anybody get inside my head/heart (just writing that makes me want to barf), and, unfortunate as it is, drinking helps. It's just that I spent a *long* time in superficial relationships that I liked *because* there was no chance of getting close. The way to sum this up is to say that I'm scared of intimacy - or of getting close to anyone. I wish I could share the mess inside my head when it happens so that other people could understand.

Another thing I've learned is that I can use certain things as "training wheels" - for example, when I don't want to feel like myself, I put on a hat, and then I feel like someone else. Wearing hats so isn't my thing that wearing one leaves me in a decidedly un-Rory state. What's great is that, after doing that for a while, I can drop the hat (there are other accessories, but the hat is a good example) but still have the comfort of feeling like I've gotten away from myself a little.

Seeing yourself under a microscope - as can happen when you're sober for too long - is *not* an easy way to live. Particularly when you're a slightly disturbed individual. Maybe "disturbed" isn't the right word, but I'm scared of a lot of my memories, and I've been wishing lately that I could have chunks of my life surgically removed. The problem with having an excellent memory is that you have an excellent memory. You don't forgot things. Yeah, the small stuff disappears, but when I can recite conversations from my childhood on, it's a bit too much, and I think that's why I'll probably always abuse one substance or another. I *have* to get away from my thoughts sometimes. I don't like having a memory triggered by an association, only to find myself back inside that moment - it's so vivid that I regularly check out while I'm walking as a memory takes over. I'll come out of it minutes later, and have no idea how I got to where I am. Seriously.

Alcohol helps that.

Most of the time, I like having a good memory, but when I need to distance myself from it, substance abuse is an unfortunate solution. But it works. Don't know what to do about that. I wish it weren't the case.

I'm working on forming new memories that are *happy*, but you can't walk away from years of borderline insanity and jump right into The Rainbow of Forever Happiness. Like drinking, it takes work.

Something to take comfort in is that I obviously don't do stuff like this without thinking it through. It doesn't mean I won't make mistakes - I've made so many in the past - but it's good to check your thoughts and motives against possible outcomes.

So, it *does* help in social situations, but I don't need it. I'm much better at self-aggrandizement when I'm sober, anyway.

"I've known drunks, and trust me, you don't want to be one."

Yeah. I've been surrounded by drunks since I was a zygote. I *never* want to become that. I *never* will become that.

"You're a cool guy, and if you get all alchie on us, your posts will go down the drain and they'll get shorter and less interesting.."

That's what I was saying earlier in this comment - the lack of output over the past two weeks has been horrible. I love to write, and substance abuse tends to take it away from me.

I need to stop writing now and then to go and live so that I have things to write about, but given how prolific I've been since quitting Microsoft, and given how little I wrote after going on my booze jag, I see a clear, if circumstantial, link between drinking and not writing.

Even now - I'm sober, and it's the first time since writing this post that I've felt like commenting. I *love* commenting. This is the best part. I get to know you people through comments, and I love that. It makes the world a richer place.

There's no drug that can provide a substitute for real friendships and relationships. I've learned that the hard, hard, hard, hard, hard way...

"...and none of us wants that. This is the best blog I read on the web, don't go throwing that away."

And stuff like that... honestly, I feel pretty demmed special. That makes me feel like I have something to contribute. Yeah, I have an ego problem, and I'm a textbook narcissist, but that doesn't mean my self-esteem or feelings of self-worth are anything to get excited about. As I've written in other comments, *real* narcissism - as defined by the DSM IV - isn't about self-love... it amounts to a fear of allowing other people in, so you become self-reliant in a way that makes it look like the only thing that matters to you is you. I should qualify this by saying that I don't meet *all* the criteria provided by the DSM-IV, but most psychological conditions are diagnosed by having *most* of the symptoms. For example, I am in no way a sociopath.

In my case, it all comes from feeling unworthy. I've also never felt that I belong - *anywhere*. It's why I tend to build relationships with people who are anywhere from dozens to thousands of miles away. When I find simpatico, I hang on to it. Some of the deepest, most fulfilling friendships and relationships I've had have been with people I've either never met in person, or have only spent brief periods with. Think Thera - she's one of these people to whom I *never* had to explain my thoughts and opinions. She Got 'Em. I still talk to her, and when we talk I feel like I'm part of the human race, you know?

If I become a boozer, I doubt I'll be able to make the connections that lead to these satisfying relationships, and that would be unjustifiable in my little world.

Oh... and, back to the narcissism for a moment... something I value in the amorous relationships is the feeling that I've found someone who's much bigger than I am. I revere these girls/ladies/women. That's another thing - I date well outside my age on both sides. I love people - I don't love ages. Again, it's about the connection. All my life I've had friends who were years younger and decades older. Love and friendship aren't something you can constrain. At least I can't. Love is love and friendship is friendship. Social conventions around these values mean absolutely nothing to me.

"Be careful, mmm'kay?"

Okee-dokee :)

Seriously, I appreciate the concern. As usual, you've been this source of "Hey - you don't suck!" that makes me feel like stuff is good.

Thanks, mister.
January 6, 2008 12:39 AM
 

Rory said:

Celes -

"So, enjoy your fancy beer, but no one wants a fat, smelly, always uninhibited, violent Rory. I like to have a drink when I go out, but that too is very different from the drinking we were both doing on New Years."

Agreed.

I'm extremely satisfied with my fitness right now, and I don't want to lose that for night after night of shallow kicks.

When drinking, I had no motivation to exercise. Since I love to exercise, something obviously went wrong.

So, what you don't want is something that won't happen. That's a very good thing :)
January 6, 2008 12:41 AM
 

Rory said:

Childhood Friend Kaori -

"after a few puffs of this cigarette, you took off running down the block like the f-ing Energizer Bunny"

Yeah, but I was already giddy with drink. Plus, it was effing freezing out there. When I took off to see if Greg was home (the guy who lives just around the corner from you), I ran in that weird way I did because:

1. It was fun.

2. I was cold, and thought I'd warm myself up.

What I've observed is that nicotine leads to a state of calm-alertness. Where you feel at peace, but still energetic.

So, I can see my behavior making sense in that context.

But drinking had a lot to do with it. If you disagree with me, I'll scare the crap out of you by showing up to our next social engagement ON TIME. The emotional scarring will fuck you for life.
January 6, 2008 12:44 AM
 

Blue said:

My God, you guys are so not consistent! Wanting to stay alone in your little club of ex-whatever drug users, saying bad things about drugs, alcohol, etc., and not standing that someone out of your club dare say bad things about addictions and abuse and have an opinion (Hey, am I allowed?) based on observations of addicted friends. Very nice. I'm sorry I did not screwed up myself to get the right to speak here, OK?

As for the 50's, I wasn't even yet in my child father's thoughts, thank you.

Celes, I regret to inform you that your comments are usually on the long side...

Anyway, this blog changed a lot. Now, it's more like a club of Rory followers that won't tolerate any different opinion. The boss won't even acknowledge such an odious opinion.

So I am not amused anymore. Tah.
January 6, 2008 1:59 AM
 

Rory said:

Blue -

"Sorry Rory but I don't totally agree with you. You can't compare addictive and efficient drugs like whatever pills you used to pop, illicit substances and alcohol. You take one pill and you're stoned. You smoke one joint of pot, hashisch or sniff/smoke/inject whatever drug and you're stoned. You drink a glass of wine or a beer and you're not drunk nor stoned."

Well, that's actually not true. In all cases, dose and tolerance are the primary factors that determine what effect the substance in question will have.

My tolerance for alcohol, for example, is quite low, so although I seem to be able to drink a lot, I'll *definitely* feel a strong buzz after only one beer.

Since everybody's different, we can't establish a universal metric based on units like "a pill" or "a line" or "a drag" or "a puff" or "a patch" or "a shot" or "a drink" - all these values are relative to the individual.

Pot, for example, is actually really difficult to get going if you haven't smoked in a while. As many people who smoke pot have experienced, it takes a *lot* to get you stoned the first time, or subsequent times if you smoke rarely.

Marijuana's psychoactive thingy has a metabolite that's still psychoactive, but with a ridiculously long half-life. I don't smoke pot because I feel stoned for two weeks after that one session. It doesn't mean it's done brain damage - in fact, THC in large quantities has been shown (not proven, but there's appears to be a strong link) to stimulate neurogenesis in the hippocampus. The opposite of what you'd expect if you've ever watched a stoner try to find his car keys, but that's the *opposite* of brain damage. But, as I was saying, the result of smoking pot is an intense initial session followed by a lingering effect that will vary based on the individual's ability to metabolize the remains.

Taken orally, opiates aren't that efficient. Many drugs aren't, as they get metabolized (not entirely, obviously) before they're freed to do their thing. Alcohol, on the other hand, is rapidly absorbed in the gut. I feel the effects of alcohol much more rapidly than I do the effects of an ingested opiate - even snorted.

Point being, without covering every substance out there, there's no universal rule. People are affected in different ways and have different tolerances and natural threshold for different substances.

One last point... the terms "drunk" and "stoned" are misleading. I find the effects of marijuana and alcohol to be far more similar than the effects of opiates or amphetamines. Opiates and amphetamines aren't disorienting the way pot and booze are. With opiates, you get a sense of calm, but you can still think clearly. With amphetamines, you feel even *more* sober than usual.

Each substance has its own effects, and it wouldn't be right to try to categorize them by catchall terms like "drunk" and "stoned."

Ooh... one more example. Soma - the muscle relaxer that gets metabolized into a barbiturate - I've taken it from time to time when going out with friends because it mimics many of the effects of alcohol. It doesn't make you sick or screw you up or whatever, but the feeling is similar. There's a case of a pill that makes me feel "drunk," though there *are* differences, so I wouldn't use the term "drunk" to describe the feeling despite the similarities. Each thing has its own set of effects, but this example goes to show that some labels can't be generally applied to something like pills and alcohol. Though, again, I wouldn't do it as it isn't accurate enough.

"Can you organize a pill/drug tasting evening? Such an event sounds hip but I don't believe anyone could actually "taste" anything."

You'd be surprised. Many "drugs" provide an aesthetic experience that you wouldn't expect.

In the Pacific Northwest, for example, there's a lot of "green" bud. When I used to smoke pot, I regularly ate a little because I loved the taste. It didn't do anything in the way of getting me stoned (it was always such a small amount), but there was a very real sensual pleasure in it. The taste of green, or even freshly picked (uncured) marijuana also provides that pleasure of the senses. It's not like smoking cigarettes - the flavor isn't harsh at all.

Now, *bad* pot tastes like crap, and I'd never want to eat it. Like beer and wine, some specimens of their respective class provide for these experiences where other specimens might not.

The first time I tasted beer - the first few times, actually - I thought it was the most disgusting thing in the world. But, over time, and mainly by drinking for the alcohol, I developed an appreciation for a good beer. I did the same with Champagne, though I drank Champagne from the start for everything *but* the alcohol. In fact, I wish Champagne could be had with much less alcohol content, but what I drank was... well, it was Champagne (my favorite - and this is among Champagnes that cost anywhere from ten bucks to a couple-hundred - was Mumm's Cordon Rouge - you can get it for about thirty-five to forty bucks around here, and I prefer it to damn near anything else on the rack - it's gorgeous).

Now I look forward to trying different beers as I enjoy the *rare* drink. As I said in a previous comment, I'm looking to restrict my drinking to 1-2 times per week, and will probably drink less than that after the novelty wears off.

Another example is cocaine. Some people love the taste - they love to rub it into their gums for the numbness and other odd stuff. That's not related to the high - it's a different experience. You can bet they're going to move on to snort a bunch, but that doesn't invalidate the pleasure they take in the drug's other qualities. The act of snorting something alone is a ritual that is, if you're into that sort of thing, pleasant. It seems to me that most - if not all - substances of abuse (or potentially abused substances) have associated rituals.

Opiates are a little different, as the taste isn't so hot. Bono said it well in Running to Stand Still: "Sweet the sin, but bitter the taste in my mouth..." That's it exactly. And, like the acquired taste of beer, I developed a taste for that bitterness. Though the other routes of administration had *their* own appeal and rituals. It might be something somebody else wouldn't want, but pleasure *is* subjective, and some drug users find that pleasure in their substances.

None of this is intuitive if you've never done an illegal drug. There are drugs that wouldn't make this list - I'm guessing crack would be one of those drugs. There are drugs where people fiend so badly that they'd do anything for them. Alcohol is one of those drugs. It doesn't mean everybody who drinks is going to chug the lowest of the low vodka from a plastic jug. But alcohol, like cocaine, nicotine, benzodiazepines, opiates, pot, etc., is an addictive substance that, if the consumption of it isn't kept in check, can lead to states no more or less "good" than those you'd find with drug addicts.

I know people who do illegal drugs in moderation, just as I know people who drink in moderation Again, it's the individual. Some people can control it, while some people can't.

It's not fair to add this as it's entirely from my own experiences, but I know *far* more people who're hooked on booze than people who're hooked on anything else, and many of the people I hang out with dabble in illegal drugs.

My ex-fiancee is into wine - starting her own label and so on. I'm extremely proud of her for this success, as she worked her ass off to get it, and she deserves it - but I've seen the rituals surrounding wine tasting and consumption, and a lot of the time it's a lot of pomp for what, in the end, is a drug. It might be a sweet or dry or clean or complex drug, but it makes you wonder why there aren't tastings for fancy grape juice. Or non-alcoholic wine (different from grape juice in that the process is different). Or non-alcoholic beer. Yeah, these tastings *do* exists, but not at all in the quantity the alcoholic (as an adjective describing the drinks - not describing the people) ones do.

"There are thousands different beers and some bajillions different wines to taste and enjoy in the world without necessarily becoming drunk of alcoholic."

And there are many different types of pot to enjoy. There *really are* differences. If it were just about THC, you can get it from any decent bud, but people go well out of their way to sample different types from around the world. From my own experience, there absolutely are aesthetic pleasures that come from different varieties of pot. Because it isn't legal in most of the modern world, you wouldn't know about it, but it's out there if you look for it.

There are different types of opiates that provide different types of highs. There are the two prototypical opiates: morphine and codeine. They're different, as are their derivations.

As there are cheap liquors and fine liquors, there's cheap coke and there's fine coke. Really - this stuff is all out there.

Just as with the ability to sample wines and beers without becoming drunk or an alcoholic, you can sample just about any drug without getting stoned or high or whatever - one term I'd consider more or less universally applicable is "a buzz" - whenever you administer a psychoactive substance - and that's "drugs" *and* alcohol and nicotine - there's a buzz. However subtle, it's there. Some people like to do a little coke - or a little morphine. Believe it or not, it's entirely possible to do that. Some people like a little clonazepam to take the edge off, while others want to disappear in it.

I can't think of any substance that effects you in the same way regardless of dose and tolerance. If you *do* take one of these substances - including alcohol - in an amount that would get somebody else buzzed, but without getting that buzz yourself, it's entirely possible that you've simply built up a tolerance, and that tolerance is the result of physical modifications to your brain. Whether you feel it or not, alcohol *is* affecting your brain - either by getting you buzzed or drunk, or by perpetuating the tolerance created by those structural changes.

It's all more similar than you might think.

"The problem is compulsively consuming a substance (can be anything, from sugar to dope and alcohol) to the point that you become intoxicated then addicted to that something and the result is indisputably bad for your physical and/or mental health."

I don't entirely agree. I agree with you on the compulsive abuse (or any abuse, whatever the impulse), but I don't agree that it's necessarily bad for your physical and/or mental health.

I find that "checking out" on occasion puts me in a far better state of mind than if I remain completely sober. People are different. Yeah, if I were to "check out" every single day, it'd be bad news. But I don't want to. I just want it every once in a while. It feels like something is reset in my brain - like the nudge out of sobriety leads me to see things from a different perspective. This can be good and it can be bad, but in my case, and provided I'm not a habitual user of the substance, I've found it to be mostly good.

There's legitimate experimentation going on in the States again in the area of psychedelics. While none of this stuff is conclusive, as getting permission to conduct these tests is incredibly difficult to acquire, there's some strong evidence pointing to inducing altered mental states leading to alleviating depression in terminally ill cancer patients. Now, it really doesn't matter that they're terminally ill cancer patients - it's just easier to get permission to experiment on the terminally ill. I don't mean to sound insensitive, but they're already dying, and the ones who are experimented on are willing and eager test subjects. The effects these "drugs" (will they be "medications" if they're legalized?) have on these patients are no different than the effects they'd have on people who *aren't* terminally ill cancer patients.

Anyway, it seems that LSD: 1) Lifts depression and 2) Provides a different perspective on life. They're finding that some patients are less fearful of death because they get a different view of life. That's a good thing if you ask me. And, as someone who's dealt with depression for many years, it's something I'd be interested in trying if I hadn't already found something (Lamictal) that seems to do the trick (for the most part - nothing's perfect).

So, we call it "drug abuse" when someone does it outside a medical context, but it's "therapy" or "treatment" when it's done in a hospital. That distinction is totally artificial. Granted, someone who's self-administering *any* substance might do it in quantities far greater than what might be done in a clinical setting, but that doesn't mean *everybody* is going to do that.

Ketamine is another example. On the street, people know it as an animal tranquilizer, but in human medicine it's used primarily as an anesthetic. However you think of it, it's actually classified as a psychedelic. It brings about the feelings of an altered state and depersonalization that comes from psychedelics. The mechanism of action is very different from other psychedelics, but it is what it is. What's been found is that *one* two hour infusion of ketamine in depressives does, in many cases, lift the depression for up to a week following the treatment.

Again, on the street, it's "drug abuse," but when it's your doctor doing it, it's "treatment." In both cases, there's overlap and room for abuse. Some doctors prescribe what their patients want because patients are customers, and businesses stay in business by satisfying their customers. Doctors are just as human and prone to corruption as anybody else. So, there's no setting that guarantees a substance will be used as medicine rather than as a "drug."

If I were profoundly depressed, I'd look for ketamine on the street. It's that simple. And it wouldn't be to get my kicks - it'd be to make life worth living again. As I've been saying, everybody's different. Given my own experiences, my own values are that it's wrong, disrespectful, assuming, presumptuous, and so on to ignore the beneficial use of the use of a substance by anyone else who's doing it because it makes life better. The lines between use and abuse are fuzzy at best. The only person who can judge the efficacy of a substance as a medication rather than a drug is the person who's doing it. In the psychiatric profession, many medications are given out with widely varying dosages because the people vary widely in their responses. Yet, someone who takes 200mg/day of Zoloft isn't thought to be a drug user/addict/etc. any more than someone who takes 25mg/day. The lines, as I said, are fuzzy.

The lines are also fuzzy for setting, as I've been saying. There's no reason a substance can't be used therapeutically despite having been acquired illegally. Yes, the less you know about what you're doing, the less likely it is you'll be able to treat yourself appropriately, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. The value of doctors here is obvious, but this isn't about the "goodness" or "badness" of the substance or person - it's about the knowledge with which the substance is administered.

Whether a substance has a positive or negative effect on mental health is irrelevant to other concerns. If I seek to feel like a human being rather than seek for the approval of other members of society, it doesn't invalidate my motivations which are the same motivations of someone who goes to a doctor. The issue is that some of these substances simply aren't available from doctors, and the reasons are buried in some fact and a lot of propaganda. However, legal psychoactive substances come with their own dangers - even when administered under close supervision.

Neither legality nor psychoactive properties of a substance or how it's acquired are relevant to the potential positive or negative mental effects.

As for physical side-effects - well, alcohol and cigarettes pretty much top the list there among commonly used and abused substances. Amphetamines taken in small doses have very little negative side-effects. Opiates are the same. As long as you aren't taking this stuff everyday or in absurdly large quantities, the effects to physical health are basically non-existent.

Lithium, on the other hand, which is a widely prescribed medication, has a therapeutic range that overlaps with the toxic range, and it's not especially difficult to find yourself on that cusp.

Alcohol destroys your liver, wrecks your gut, wrecks your kidneys, and mangles your brain. A normal, therapeutic dose of opiates, however, does *not*. Yeah, just as with anything, there'll be rare cases of people who react terribly or who have unexpected difficulties, but generally speaking opiates are very well tolerated when used sparingly and in sensible quantities. It's simply not the same for alcohol. Alcohol (and its metabolites) just destroy neurons. Opiates, again, unless you're going overboard, do not. They *will* effect structural changes, but those changes are reversible. That's not the same as brain damage.

Smoking leads to so many terrible health conditions that I couldn't possibly begin to list them.

To sum it up, just as there's no universal way to describe the subjective mental states brought about by drugs, and just as there's no way to universally measure a dose that would affect two people the same way, there's a lot of leeway in describing the amount and kind of physical and mental damage that can be wrought by different substances.

You don't need to abuse something for it to damage you, and some people can abuse something without being as negatively affected as other people.

"However, as most people know when it's time to slow down on booze, I guess alcohol is only mildly addictive and can be safely enjoyed socially from time to time. And when I drink wine with my meal in good company, I may become less shy but never to the point of becoming someone else."

Again, this is subjective. Alcohol lights up the reward bits of the brain. It becomes instinctive in some people to associate survival with a substance of abuse.

Alcohol is *tremendously* addictive. This doesn't mean that everybody who drinks is going to get addicted. But given that it's one of the most widely abused drugs in the world - and one responsible for so many addictions - I don't think "mildly addictive" is accurate at all.

Additionally, alcohol, as I wrote in the post, has one of the most dangerous withdraw scenarios of many of the drugs I've been writing about. As with anything, you have to taper off, and should probably do so under supervision, whenever you want to quit an addictive substance - even if you don't think you're addicted. You might drink or smoke regularly, and think you aren't addicted, but it isn't until you stop that you truly find out.

In your case, it sounds like you have excellent self-control, and you might also be less susceptible to addiction than other people. This happens - it's individual. Some people love opiates, and some aren't affected at all.

But, a lot of people try to quit drinking "cold turkey" - this is *really, really* dangerous. If you're a moderate to heavy drinker, you can get seizures doing this. You can hallucinate. You can become delirious. There are many potential dangers associated with alcohol withdrawal. You might have a friend who quit without breaking a sweat, and you might have another friend who went through hell.

It's tough to do, especially for people who've never been addicted to anything, but you have to understand that your own experiences may not be at all indicative of a norm. I've watched people stop smoking and be just fine, and I've watched other people turn into monsters. It's *so* vastly different based on the person.

Some people can walk away fine, and other people can actually *die* from trying to quit a substance.

It isn't a conscious choice. You said that most people know when it's time to slow down on booze. I find this unlikely. One of the effects of alcohol is an impairment of judgment. Some people will maintain just fine, but nobody who drinks to the point of getting a simple buzz or full blown intoxication will be making decisions with the same soundness as they would when sober.

Psychoactive substances provide subjective experiences - that is, they alter something about your conscious states and perspectives. But, the drive to continue doing them isn't a conscious decision. You can decide not to do a drug - such as alcohol - that you don't want to do, but if you, like so many people, have the capacity to get addicted to something, then your job is to overrule the primal drive that tells you to indulge.

The conscious level experiences here are one thing, but the rest is all about appetite. Dieting is hard because your body tells you to eat, but you're trying not to. The hunger is something over which you have no control - not eating is the thing you can try to control, but as many dieters can tell you, it can be too hard to maintain this state.

Once your brain has developed a "taste" for a psychoactive substance, it's possible - even likely - that there's going to be a drive over which you have no control. The best you can do is influence it. Different people have different levels of ability with this influence. The drunk looks at a bottle, hates the bottle, consciously daydreams about throwing the bottle away, but the appetite to drink often wins. That's addiction.

It has little to do with what you want. The parts of the brain where addiction takes place are far more primitive than the bits associated with "higher thinking" and consciousness - they are *literally* running in their own little worlds, but with means of communicating with other parts of the brain.

The brain is made up of many components, and doing something is, in some ways, the result of a vote. It's consciousness versus instinct. I've had the urge to punch people on many occasions, but I don't because my intellect overrules the instinct. As the differing capacities of different people to control their violent instincts shows, I have more restraint than someone who looks for a fight - who can't *avoid* them.

That's a simplified view of how it all works, but it's close in kind of not in accuracy. The neocortex sits on top of what's referred to as the "reptilian brain" - yep - it's described in such a way as to suggest it's an autonomously functioning structure. It's where you'll find things like aggression and territoriality - animals are driven by instinct - you can train some, but others are just as they are. We have those *exact same* parts of the brain, but we have something hooked in that moderates the expression of those instincts.

What I'm trying to show here is that what people "know" and what they'll do are two very different things - not just in terms of "mind" but in terms of the physical realities of how the brain operates.

"As for tobacco, I cannot say much else than it's quite addictive and can be considered a drug. I never smoked, never felt like trying to smoke and have hated the cigarette smell since I was a child. My parents were heavy smokers and I hated seeing them not being able to live without a pack of cigarettes. My mom used to call me at school to ask me when I hid her "drug". ;)"

I don't understand the distinction you've made here. I've never been hooked on booze, but many other people are, and that it has psychoactive properties is undeniable.

I've never been truly hooked on smoking (I tried when I was younger, and I think I partially succeeded), but many other people are, and that it has psychoactive properties is undeniable.

People can drink because they enjoy the flavor. I know people who say they like the flavor of cigarettes. Who's to tell them who's right? What about the people, like me, who enjoyed the taste of good marijuana? Or the people who like to rub coke in their gums? Or even just taste it on the tongue?

Being able to find pleasure in the aesthetics of a thing isn't mutually exclusive with also being subject to the qualities that make it a "drug".

That you have a taste for it but other people don't doesn't mean it isn't a drug. And, that someone else has a taste for something that you don't *also* doesn't mean it isn't a drug. It goes both ways.

I know people who will smoke one cigarette a week, or under certain conditions, because they genuinely enjoy the process and sensual experience. I wouldn't consider them addicted. Does that mean nicotine isn't a drug? Not at all.

"Rory, your latest experience consisted in replacing an abuse of substance with the abuse of another substance and you didn't prove anything else than abuse is bad for you."

Well, yeah, but I called that out in the first sentence of this post. I was under no illusion about the reasons for my drinking.

That said, I also found great pleasure in tasting the beer I'd missed so much.

Still, it was mostly about getting blotto. I've had enough experience in this area to know when I'm flat-out abusing a substance, and that's exactly what I was doing. I didn't imply otherwise - I clearly stated my intentions.

"You could have done the same with food, sex, anything, and the result would have been the same. Abuse and addictions are bad, that's it."

I know. But that doesn't change anything about any of the arguments I've made in this comment.

Sex, just like food, brings about an altered state of chemicals in the brain and body that signal pleasure. People sometimes ignore - or forget - that mind is the result of the meat. Nothing happens without a physical reaction.

It looks like food and sex aren't addictive because they're "natural," but they're appetites like anything else, and depending on how you view, use, and are affected by them, they can affect your life every bit as profoundly as alcohol or opiates or whatever.

That's kind of my point here. These things differ, and people differ, but it's inconsistent with your own reasoning to say that one substance is a drug and another isn't - or, in this case, behaviors and indulgences.

"Did you know that you could kill yourself by drinking more water that your body can absorb (overhydration)?"

Yeah. Drinking too much results in an imbalance and deficit of water-soluble nutrients vital to the proper functioning of your organs. I don't know the details, but I can imagine a heart-attack induced by a disruption in the normal distribution of potassium brought on by drinking way too much water.

That, however, isn't relevant here. That's like comparing ingesting a lethal quantity of cyanide with dying of alcohol intoxication. The difference is that cyanide isn't going to bring you pleasure before it kills you. You were probably drinking the alcohol because you were addicted to it, and it was an appetite that overruled your sound thinking, leading to unchecked drinking followed by death.

You don't get a chance with water-intoxication or cyanide to find out if you like it. You just die.
January 6, 2008 2:26 AM
 

Rory said:

Chris -

"I smoked for 6 years before I quit and I drink at least 3 times a week. It seems like a big event for you."

It is.

But sometimes when I tell people I've had sex, it's a big deal to them.

That one person does something habitually and another doesn't doesn't invalidate the significance of the experience on either side.

Smoking was a huge deal for me because... well, it's smoking. It's highly addictive, widely abused, extremely dangerous, and leads to bad breath. It was also experiencing something many other people had experienced, and it gave me some perspective on why they do it.

Gaining a little insight into a human behavior that perplexes me is what I'd consider a significant experience, and, therefore, a "big event."

"'Being addicted to alcohol, in my personal experience, is *just as bad* as any other drug addiction.'
If you've ever smoked weed, you would know there is a huge difference between the 2. I would say drinking occasionally is better than smoking weed occasionally by far for your brain."

Subjective assessment is one thing, but the facts are another.

Smoking pot occasionally does zero brain damage. Or, it does so little damage that it's insignificant.

Alcohol has been linked to everything from minor short-term memory loss to full-blown dementia. There's also irreparable damage to the pre-frontal cortex that results in an inability to "connect the dots" so to speak. One of the ways this has been tested has been through demonstrating that drinkers - particularly heavy ones, of course - have a much harder time connecting a joke with its punchline than non-drinkers. I can provide a bibliographic reference if you'd like. It'd take some digging, but I've got it around here somewhere.

Smoking pot occasionally will definitely do more damage to the lungs, but the brain is more or less unaffected. The cannabinoid receptors to which THC binds don't seem to have a profound influence on brain function. Yeah, acute intoxication followed by smoking the stuff is obviously disruptive, but the long-term effects are nil.

THC doesn't *damage* the brain. It binds, it affects, it's metabolized, and it's gone. In someone who habitually smoked it, the story would probably be different, but that's not what we're talking about.

Alcohol does its damage by actually physically damaging in the brain in (mostly) irreparable ways. It seems that the hippocampus has the ability to regenerate neurons (within limits) but, as far as we can tell, most of the rest of the brain isn't so resilient (it makes sense given that the hippocampus is responsible for memory formation, so it *has* to produce new neurons).

As I said, subjective assessment is one thing, but the facts are another.

The experience produced by LSD is completely different from that produced by alcohol and pot, but that doesn't denote more or less damage. In fact, the receptors to which LSD binds recycle on a regular basis, so even if the stuff were bound for such a time that it seems you're "stuck," it still gets metabolized, leaving your brain intact. Like anything else we've been discussing, overindulgence will result in a different outcome, but despite the huge difference in experience between dropping acid and drinking, there is absolutely no way to determine from those experiences which is the more damaging (if damaging at all).

I expect people to chime in with the "...but it said in a magazine that drinking one to two glasses of beer or wine a day can help out with blah blah blah," but the same doctors tell you that, between drinking a little and not drinking at all, not drinking at all is the healthier choice by far. You can get the same benefits provided by a small amount of alcohol with many other over-the-counter vitamins and medications, but without the damage that alcohol will inevitably do. Just because it might help lower cholesterol in some people when taken in some amounts doesn't counter that it still hits your liver, your kidneys, and your brain. Period.

Oatmeal has been shown to lower your cholesterol, and, as far as I know, it doesn't cause brain damage or screw your liver or your kidneys or your [everything else].

Point: assessment based on subjective experience does not in any way indicate which substance is more or less damaging.

Though you didn't state your view as fact: "I would say..."

Therefore, you're probably open to getting other perspectives, including mine (which I can back up with studies and blah blah blah that have much more relevance than a feeling that one thing is worse than another based on how it makes you feel).
January 6, 2008 2:46 AM
 

Rory said:

Blue -

"My God, you guys are so not consistent! Wanting to stay alone in your little club of ex-whatever drug users, saying bad things about drugs, alcohol, etc., and not standing that someone out of your club dare say bad things about addictions and abuse and have an opinion (Hey, am I allowed?) based on observations of addicted friends. Very nice. I'm sorry I did not screwed up myself to get the right to speak here, OK?"

I don't think it's a question of your having had the experiences. I can't speak for other people's reactions, but I felt the need to respond in a substantial way. I posted it after your comment, so I don't know if you've read it or not, but I think it's well-reasoned and respectful of you. It doesn't mean I don't outright challenge what you said, but it *does* mean that I have my own set of opinions on the matter that I wanted to share.

One of the hardest things about having used drugs to alleviate depression has been the judgment of others. I dealt a lot with the artificial distinction between "drugs" and cigarettes/alcohol. It wouldn't have bothered me, except that people often spoke from uninformed and often moral-driven viewpoints, whereas this topic is far more complex than that.

I haven't read most of the responses to your comment, as I immediately wanted to get to writing my own. I don't think the blog has changed - readers come and go, but I'm still me. I've always been me.

There are also some posts that get people talking who may never have commented before - or people who rarely comment. That can make things feel different even they aren't, really (I've been doing this for years, so I'm used to the shifts and also spikes in action).

As for their responses... it might seem they're rallying against you, and maybe they are. They also might be being disrespectful (again, I haven't read their comments). But, I know that in *my* case, I felt that you seemed to be compartmentalizing certain things in a way that put some of us on the outside - that is, it's a rather exclusive opinion. But, in the abstract, we're actually all in the same place.

I'd say that anybody who comments here opens themselves up for the following debate. I think you just hit a nerve - that's all. You've posted here plenty of times where the responses were friendly and sympathetic.

I do it, too. I write posts where it feels like the entire planet has turned against me. I'll get downright cruel emails and comments - people who aren't even debating - they're just insane with rage and looking for a fight. I'll read their posts where, instead of entering into a reasonable conversation or debate, they just say I'm an "idiot" or a "douche" or any of the other things people call each other - but they'll leave it at that.

It sucks. I wouldn't take it personally. I certainly don't think any differently of you for our not having the same opinions. But, you're French, and I grew up in a French household. If there's one thing I learned from that as well as the time I spent living in Paris, it's that debate is part of the French way of life.

And, yeah, I'm trying to soften things up here with the French comment, but... yeah. I don't like the idea of people being disrespectful toward each other, though I think it's often the result of bad communication and knee-jerk reactions. There's also a tendency to attack the person rather than debate the message. We're all just people.

"As for the 50's, I wasn't even yet in my child father's thoughts, thank you."

I think *I* was.

"Anyway, this blog changed a lot. Now, it's more like a club of Rory followers that won't tolerate any different opinion. The boss won't even acknowledge such an odious opinion."

Like I said, I haven't read them. But I've always been tolerant of the comments here. I just got around to reading the comments tonight, and I was surprised at how much debate there's been.

Believe me - there are *many* people out there who read my site who aren't "Rory followers" - for the first time in my life, I've had people who don't even know me hate me. That's one of the tough parts of walking into a public square and joining a conversation with people you'll probably never see again. It still hurts, but I've gotten better about it over the years, though I don't expect it'll ever not hurt when somebody tells me how much they hate me or wish I'd shut up or whatever. No matter how you look at it, it sucks, and it hurts, and the people who want me to hurt *are* out there.

"So I am not amused anymore. Tah."

I didn't think this subject was amusing at all. The holidays are hard for me, and I dealt with things in a different way this year. I wanted to share my thoughts. I'd much rather write another funny or entertaining post, but sometimes I get serious. That's when people get riled up.

So... I'm not amused by this myself. But it was important to me.

The amusing stuff's coming back on Monday. It's sitting here, waiting to be posted. I wanted to let this thing run it's course. Tempers flare, and then people usually calm down.

Anyway, I always liked having a perfume-loving Frenchie commenting here, but I also totally understand if it's not to your taste. I just want you to know that my not censoring or responding to certain comments doesn't have anything to do with how I feel about you or the other people. It's simply that it was late, and I had my own responses to write.

I'll read the rest in the morning...
January 6, 2008 3:08 AM
 

Andrew said:

"My God, you guys are so not consistent! Wanting to stay alone in your little club of ex-whatever drug users, saying bad things about drugs, alcohol, etc., and not standing that someone out of your club dare say bad things about addictions and abuse and have an opinion (Hey, am I allowed?) based on observations of addicted friends. Very nice. I'm sorry I did not screwed up myself to get the right to speak here, OK?"

I rarely drink and have never smoked tobacco or used any illegal drugs of any sort, so you may want to rethink what you said above. You will CERTAINLY want to rethink your tone. You have the right to say anything you like, and we have the right to refute you where you are demonstrably mistaken...as you are here.
January 6, 2008 12:28 PM
 

Andrew said:

"And then, like in the good old days of BBSing, I'll tell you I'm a super hax0r and that I'm going to aim missiles at your house. I might even say I'm going to fire them. Sort of a Bay of Pigs thing."

Cruelest thing I ever did during my BBS days was intentionally give someone I didn't like a wrong number to a BBS I *did* like. Apparently he used an autodialer and the person on the other end did not appreciate hearing the modem tones every minute or two for several hours, because I found out later that my error had resulted in a police visit and his parents' confiscation of the modem.

Oops.

Not really.
January 6, 2008 12:31 PM
 

Rory said:

Andrew -

"Oops.

Not really."

I think it's time to fess up without covering your ass.

The statute of limitations on giving one of your not-friends the wrong phone number to a BBS you liked has probably run out.
January 6, 2008 2:19 PM
 

Celes said:

Rory-

"..like in the good old days of BBSing.."

Ah, yes. The good old days... I was just rewatching Hackers which becomes more amusing every time (the inaccuracies and stereotypes mixed with the dated accuracies). They get all excited about a 28.8k modem. I smile and giggle.

Blue-

"Celes, I regret to inform you that your comments are usually on the long side..."

Regret? ... .. Regret? Who's regretting? I like leaving long, well thought out comments- and reading other people's (thank you, Rory). I'm a writer after all. And this is one blog I look forward to reading long, articulate comments.

"My God, you guys are so not consistent! Wanting to stay alone in your little club of ex-whatever drug users, saying bad things about drugs, alcohol, etc., and not standing that someone out of your club dare say bad things about addictions and abuse and have an opinion (Hey, am I allowed?) based on observations of addicted friends. Very nice. I'm sorry I did not screwed up myself to get the right to speak here, OK? "

Woah there! You're lucky I'm not one to be offended easily, because that was pretty offensive (from what I understand of the definition of the term). I'm not part of "little club of an ex-whatever drug user"s. As a matter of fact, I don't even consume caffeine on a regular basis, so your accusation is inaccurate. And yes, you're allowed to have differing opinions, just as we're allowed to rebut them based on our own experiences. No one has been nasty in their comments so far except maybe you, so lighten up. Accusing us as having screwed ourselves up? C'mon. I like to think this is the kind of blog I can comment on without people flaming like that.

The bottom line point I've been trying to make (and I think others have) is that there's a difference between use and abuse, and not just as it applies to alcohol, but to other drugs as well.

The secondary point I was trying to make is that I think people shouldn't be judgmental against people who use or have used drugs other than socially acceptable ones. There is a double standard that doesn't make sense to me.

This is my one last attempt to clearly make these points, because I feel like I'm repeating myself and I feel like you're not really giving any of my ideas any respectful consideration. You're just getting mad for some reason.

"it's more like a club of Rory followers that won't tolerate any different opinion."

I think you're projecting. Read your past comments and other people's. You're the only one that's used a demeaning tone thus far and personally accused people of things.

I wish you'd chill. It's nice to have a variety of people and opinions to discuss with as long as they can deal with rebuttals and disagreeing without getting upset.

I'll say it again, my experiences are obviously very different than yours. No one is saying you need to use drugs. If anything, you could stand to read more about them without being accusatory.

Andrew-

"Cruelest thing I ever did during my BBS days was intentionally give someone I didn't like a wrong number to a BBS I *did* like. Apparently he used an autodialer and the person on the other end did not appreciate hearing the modem tones every minute or two for several hours, because I found out later that my error had resulted in a police visit and his parents' confiscation of the modem."

Andrew, you're my new hero.
Did you get a date with a young Angelina Joelie as a result?
Sorry. Did I mention I was just watching Hackers?
January 6, 2008 11:16 PM
 

SteveJ said:

I'm still thinking this one over...

I wonder why some people (at least myself) internalize these silly rules that society has come up with.  For instance, I drink socially, exist primarily because of my daily coffee intake, and I quit smoking years ago, not for the health aspect but the rising cost.  I did almost start smoking again a few years ago but it really killed me trying to run the next day, so that was out.

My parents were alcoholics growing up and probably 76 out of 80 relatives over the age of 13 smoke.  So I'm aware that both are harmful.

I've never done any illegal drugs, probably because it was illegal.  Then again I was smoking and drinking in my teens.

I don't hassle anyone that does anything else, other than over DUI.

It's odd though,   I've never even been curious about pot, acid, x, etc.  I don't take pain pills stronger than ibuprofen (even after surgery) and I don't even like taking antibiotics.  I don't like feeling that loopy, but I will get stumbling bumbling drunk 3-4 times a year (Hey it's a party!)

Maybe I'm easily brainwashed - I think getting out of Iraq is a bad idea too.

January 7, 2008 10:56 AM
 

tweedledee said:

"I don't think the blog has changed - readers come and go, but I'm still me. I've always been me."

Well, I always considered this blog to be a function of both author and readers. While you may remain fairly constant, the ebb and flow of readers will certainly influence the end result. I, for one, will miss Blue - she is one of the more interesting voices I've seen here.
January 8, 2008 1:19 PM
 

Greg Hughes said:

As a long-time (since some time closer to the beginning) reader and follower, let me say this: Often times - and that includes this time - you hit so close to home I wonder if it's not my own experiences I am reading. Then I realize I could not possibly have written the actual words, becuase I'm just not that funny. :)

But the experiences, that's what I really understand much of the time.

You scare me. Heh.

gh
January 12, 2008 1:06 PM
 

Rory - Neopoleon said:

In the early months of 2004, I discovered Future Gogs. They're just what they sound like. They're gogs....
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