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Youth and Tech - I Was a Lucky Kid - And The Young Lloyd Humphreys on Channel 8

Everything's good again. It's fine. I'm good. Got past the recent emotional stuff. Getting better at it. Going to start regular posting again on Monday. I think I just needed the break so I could get some practice with doing emotional crap. I don't get it, and I think I ought to given the human-being aspect of my life.

Enough about me for once.

Lloyd Humphreys is this kid I met over in the Channel 9 Coffeehouse. I could've sworn he was fifteen, though his site says he's fourteen. I'll let him clear that up. When you're thirty, a year (or ten) doesn't make much of a difference, but when you're thirteen or fourteen, it can mean the difference between soprano and baritone. A year is a long time to a wee lad.

I count Lloyd among my "online" friends. The people I don't get to hang out with in meatspace, but who I would hang out with in meatspace if their meatspace wasn't on the other side of the planet.

All my life, I've had friends who were much younger and much older than me. I hang out at a coffee shop where I converse somewhat regularly with several people who're just about in their eighties. I don't like them because of "wisdom" or the other things people like to attribute to old age. I think wisdom is the consolation prize for having been dumb your entire life, but also for having had to remember it. Rather, I like them because they're interesting, funny, good conversationalists.

People sometimes ask me about these huge age differences. They aren't too surprised by the people who're in their eighties, but when I tell them that one of my youngest friends is fifteen (unless he's fourteen like his site says), eyes bug out. People think I'm insane. Or a creep.

I find those people creepy. If I meet someone who's freaked out by my having young and old friends, I feel like it's those people who shouldn't be socializing outside their age groups. Whatever creepy goings-on they might be thinking of never cross my mind, but they're obviously crossing theirs. Would they do something creepy in my place? Makes you wonder.

Lloyd reminds me of myself in a lot of ways. When I was fifteen (or fourteen - get it straight, Lloyd, you little bastard), I hung out with people who were twice my age and more. I got to visit Intel and Symantec with these guys. They'd pick me up in their fast, fancy cars, and drive me out to their tech companies where I got to see amazing stuff long before it hit the market or even became rumors. I got to hold one of the first Pentium Pro CPUs. Nobody knew about them at the time. It was all hush-hush.

Down at Symantec, I got to see the web for the first time. I'd had a Unix dial-up account for a while, but, though I'd heard of it, I'd never seen the web. I thought it was for pussies. I was all about IRC, usenet, FTP, FSP, and other names/acronyms. But there it was. An image popped up in a browser, and I was floored.

I got to tour a game company in the middle of the night where we played networked DOOM (the original) back when almost nobody got to play on networks.

I got to visit Bootleg. We all had handles. They were dorky, geeky things. One of my good friends was recognized to be one of the better hackers around. His name was Kryptic Knight. Dorky. Way dorky. But I loved those guys. Sicily was another. Trident. Homer. Fong. Thing One. Milkman. I was Rob Bob.

And, as I said, Bootleg. Bootleg had this big old dusty house that was filled with old equipment. Computers and monitors were stacked waist-high throughout his home. You had to walk through the trenches to get anywhere.

I went out there one day with Scrooge to say hi and see what was doing. Bootleg had these huge beige boxes that looked like washing machines. He had stacks of reel-to-reel tapes. They were the Oregon Department of Motor Vehicles records for every driver in the state. He was pulling all the records and stuffing them inside a database. We all eventually got copies, and were then able to get a person's name, phone number, address, and more just by entering their license plate info into the database's search field. We felt powerful, and rightly so.

Bootleg eventually tried to sell the discs, but got shut down. It was fun to have the info among ourselves - taking down the license plates of people who messed with us, or who were parked like assholes - but it wasn't the best idea to get that same info out to the public. So it goes.

Given what an amazing, fantastic, brilliant, entertaining genius of a writer I am, I get asked about where I learned to do it. It was with those guys. We all ran BBSs. Kryptic Knight's was a true hacker board where, provided you were allowed access, you could get the kind of info everybody pretended to have - except he actually had it. Sicily was more about the technology, beating us all to the first GUI BBS we'd ever seen (I think the software was called "RoboBoard," though it was a long time ago). My site was known for its forums, and it was one of the most popular in 5o3. People redialed and redialed for the chance to get their sixty minutes a day on my phone line so they could get their posts in.

We discussed everything. Religion, movies, coding, telephony... I learned a lot. I stayed home from school all the time so I could run that board, play in the forums, and hang out with my hacker crew. It was a better education by far than what I was getting in high-school.

When I began writing in the forums, I DID EVERYTHING IN ALL CAPS AND I MADE GRAMITICAL ERRERS AND MISPELLD THINGS AND HAD RUNON SENTINSIS AND GENREALLY EXPRESSD MYSELF PORLY.

Nobody took me seriously as long as I wrote like that, so I learned to write well. The day I realized I had to improve my writing was when I got all kinds of crap for having told someone that he had terrible "grammer." It reminds me of something wonderful that I heard in a French class - the teacher was talking about prepositions. I didn't know what prepositions were, and, from the way he was talking about them, I got the feeling that they were important. All the other kids acted like they knew, so I was the odd one out. Never especially concerned with possibly looking stupid, I asked: "What's a preposition?" It got a few giggles. Some people probably thought I was joking, but the others took the opportunity to point fingers and laugh at the dumb kid.

A girl responded to my question: "Prepositions are the words we don't end sentences with."

Two minutes later, I Got prepositions, and proceeded to laugh for the last twenty minutes of class. I'll never forget that girl's answer.

But, back to the geeks... if you didn't express yourself well, you weren't respected, and neither were your thoughts. It was boot camp for writers. Not only were these people teaching me all about life and mischief, they were also largely responsible for my learning how to write well.

Those were some of the best years of my life. I was part of a club of highly intelligent weirdos. Admission to the club was based entirely on what was up in your noggin. We had bad stutterers and stammerers and all kinds of awkwardness in human form. You weren't judged by superficial things like having an extra leg or being half to a third to a quarter of the age of the people you hung out with.

I look at people like Lloyd and Yuvi, and I see some of the greatest aspects of my pre-adult years in their lives. Yeah, Lloyd isn't old enough to drive in the States. He wouldn't be allowed into an R rated movie, and he couldn't buy an MA rated game. But he and Yuvi can hold their own intellectually. They're highly creative, ambitious, and have, as you'd expect, the best qualities youth has to offer.

I have quite a few friends in the 19-23 year-old age group, and I love them. I tend to date young, too. I'm sure people have their own opinions as to why that is, but it comes down to a couple things, neither of which is "bad":

1. Naivete. I think most people, before around the age of twenty-five, tend to be very naive. This is a good quality, and one I don't want to lose. I'm told all the time that I'm naive, and I'm thankful for it. Naivete is like cynicism-repellent, and cynicism is one of the worst things that happen to anyone. When you're cynical, you stop believing in yourself. You find the worst in people, decide nothing's ever going to change, and then you rot in yourself. I've had my moments there - we all do - but I always dig myself out. Cynicism is not allowed into The County of Neopoleon.

2. Ambition. When you combine ambition with naivete, you get amazing things. When you combine ambition with naivete and intelligence, you get... well, super amazing things. When you're naive, you don't know what you're up against, so the world looks like one big opportunity. When you're ambitious, you have the drive to take advantage of that opportunity. When you're intelligent, you give that ambition direction, and you can accomplish just about anything. When I was twenty-one, I wrote a Linux textbook in twelve days. It was only 25,000 words, but it was a hell of an accomplishment. I've been meaning to dig it up, as a friend of mine needs to learn about Linux, and I think it'd be cool if she learned from my book.

It's unavoidable that you're going to lose some naivete. That's life. But as long as you can avoid cynicism, you can continue to kick ass for as long as you want/can.

That's part of the attraction of youth. I get motivated when I listen to my younger friends talk about their big ideas. I love giving them guidance on how they can really get going on them. It's a good feeling.

So, when I say that one of my friends is fifteen (or fourteen - damn you, Lloyd), this is what I'm thinking about. I think about all the experiences I was fortunate to have because I had older friends. All along the way in life, I've had someone there to nudge me in the right direction and give me the confidence to follow my gut. Science, computers, music, writing, my career, and all the rest were things I pursued while being helped along by people who had more experience, but who also saw my potential and wanted to help me realize it.

That's not very creepy.

Right now, Yuvi is working on something to do with my religion (I'll finish the story - starting to get my motivation back). I have no idea what he's going to do, though I expect his young thinkmeat will come up with something interesting. Novelty comes naturally to youth because your head isn't cluttered with patterns. You have a lot of mental room in which to maneuver.

And Lloyd, to get back to part of the title of this post, just put together a tutorial for Microsoft's Channel 8. Channel 8 is part of the JeffSand Team Channel X family. I could be wrong about who's in charge, but I think it's a JeffSand thing.

So, Lloyd's this kid, and he's already putting his skills to work by teaching others How to Do Things. He's a positive thinker, full of ambition, intelligence, and the ability to follow through on his plans.

I have my own three part video for Channel 8. Clint Rutkas axed me to do it. So I did it. It done did. Should be up before too long.

But... Lloyd. And Yuvi. The two teens I've watched most in tech - I don't know what's bouncing around inside their heads, but I feel lucky that I get to be here and take part in some of it. It feels like it's my turn to take the role of the people who've helped me out along the way. That isn't to say that Lloyd and Yuvi need guidance. They certainly don't need me. But I can at least be a cheerleader for them.

Carry on, people.

Carry on.

Published Friday, April 11, 2008 3:50 PM by Rory

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Comments

 

deb said:

i think of it as "paying it forward."  or "it takes a village"......

i do have some much younger people in my life who i know look to me for advice and sometimes guidance, like i'm the cool aunt they could confess having sex or smoking pot to.  (damn those prepositions!  OK. like the cool aunt to whom they could confess having sex or smoking pot.  happy?)

i don't know that i call them friends.  i don't know that i have anything to offer them.  but i think crossing generations is cool.  i also have mentors, older people who i also don't know that i'd call friends necessarily, but who i look to for advice and sometimes guidance.  like they're the cool aunt or uncle with some sense of wisdom i can talk to.  (damn it!  to whom i can talk!  OK?)

i like that sense of cross-generational sharing of information and experiences.  only good can come from that, i think.  

(now, about dating younger....i have thoughts on that, but nevermind.)
;-)

the only thing that drives me crazy about sharing info with the younger kids is realizing how old i've become.  those moments where i think, "yeah, i used to think that too".  and those other moments where i think, "do they have to play that music so loud?"  or worse, "they call that music?"  but that's a whole other thing.

all the best!
deb
April 11, 2008 6:52 PM
 

Yuvi said:

Know something? I still, have, no, friggin, idea, what, the, hell, a, preposition, is. Yeah, really.

P.S. Lloyd makes me feel old! :(
April 12, 2008 3:43 AM
 

Chris said:

Kids are the future. Without them there will be no one to pay for our social security checks and help us cross the street, so it's important to have them thrive and prosper. I don't necessarily agree with Microsoft giving schools tons of stuff as write offs to get them indoctrinated into using their OS as a strategy though. I think that's actually counter productive and evil.

BTW, eBay has promoted me to powerseller
http://feedback.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=necro25
I now have god like powers on eBay.
I rescheduled my flight from LAX today to San Francisco on Wednesday to meet a client, so if anybody is in the SF area Thursday, give me a shout out. I'll be spending the day there Thursday before I drive back to LA.
April 12, 2008 5:48 AM
 

Lloyd said:

Hotness! :D

I love being mentioned :P

Now, if I tell you I had a mower that runs on my machoness, and we haven't had to turn it off since October 20th 1993, how old would I be? (Hint, it's not 15).

People find the people I talk to creepy. My friend Nathan used to think 22% of people on my contacts list (47 of them, yeah, I've a lot of contacts :))were perverted or something, because they were all 19-X. I've gotta say, they're the most insightful people I've ever not met! I think, without a doubt, you're my 100% #1 person on the interwebs. Christian (littleguru) comes a close second. If I could spend time in meatspace with you, I would :) Well. If parents allowed - maybe you can come over and drink beer with me. I do that a lot now :P (underage drinking ftw!)

I remember having that exact forum experience. Channel9 was my first forum, and it was DEEP - if you look at my posts, they rapidly went from "thx" to proper "thanks" and I keep improving. Channel9 expands my vocabulary every freakin' day, and I love that place like a kitten :P

Now, with my blog, my website, I'm starting up a small design thing, I've got those tutorials up (and I'm really proud of those), and I'm doing a Microsoft Student Partnership course - even though I can't officially get one, who cares? I've done the course, I'll still be a 14 year old student partner, technically.

Thanks again for the mention :D Means a lot. Stuff like this keeps me going in the right direction, it motivates me. In facto, you just made me start Part 5 of my tutorial series :) Confabulations, you just lost 4 hours of my weekend :P

Lloyd
April 12, 2008 8:02 AM
 

Yuvi said:

@Lloyd: Hey, I was a student partner at 14! Honestly! For real! Believe me! Look up my old blogspot blog, I was!
April 12, 2008 8:14 AM
 

Celes said:

I started writing a reply and instead it took on the length and appearance of a blog post- so I figured I'd save a bunch of this for one later this week. The rest follows...

"They'd pick me up in their fast, fancy cars, and drive me out to their tech companies"

I'm super insanely jealous of kid Rory. Though, I did have a friend who was a security guard at a computer company's big office (both which shall remain nameless).

"People sometimes ask me about these huge age differences."

I also always had older friends growing up- both on and offline. I know I turned the creepiness head. I even got kicked off BBS simply for being young. (Though, they knew how old I was when I joined, it made them nervous). I did also date a lot of older guys, and still do (though I have dated younger once at least). It's not something I consider in people, and I'd be kind of ashamed of myself if I did. I got talked down to a lot when I was young and I never want to do that to others. Online was one of the few places I got a shot at people before they learned my age (and sex)- and then they didn't always believe me. That was much cooler than being treated a certain way for your age and sex and *then* having to prove yourself.

It's kind of wrong to be a preteen girl wishing you were a thirty year old guy for treatment and intellectual stimulation sake. So, I'd never want to do that to someone else now that I'm older.

Glad to see you posting, Rory!
April 12, 2008 10:33 PM
 

TheSingularOne said:

I've liked these posts very much. Especially the previous one, it was very honest. Quite unlike how I had assumed a man could or lets say, would write. ....

I think I likes you Rory.

 
April 13, 2008 9:54 AM
 

Lloyd said:

Somebody's got an admirer!

I forgot about the Cars bit. I want to be picked up in a car and taken to fancy computer places!

Unfortunately, I like in the middle of nowhere (well. not quite, but we'll go along with it for dramatic effect) and there isn't anywhere interesting for a million miles (again, dramatic effect :P)

Lloyd
April 13, 2008 11:16 AM
 

Lloyd said:

See what you've done!

The result of your support:
http://www.lloydhumphreys.com/content/tutorials/blend/Learning%20Expression%20Blend%20Part%205.pdf

http://www.lloydhumphreys.com/content/tutorials/blend/Learning%20Expression%20Blend%20Part%205%20Resources.zip

Seriously, don't ever distribute code with stuff unless you're very organized, I thought it'd be a simple case of "pull out the DRM content, zip it" but then it turns out Blends compiler puts the copyrighted content in 3 different places, then it looks like I left some folder where it shouldn't have been which messed up the unzipping... *sigh*

Anyways, this one actually goes into some C# to create a cool little music-player style thing, centered around a band called Kill Hannah. I did it to mess about with MediaElements, turns out it fitted in perfectly with my tutorial.. hey ho it's in!
April 13, 2008 4:08 PM
 

Lloyd said:

Dammit Rory this thing swallowed one of my posts :@

============

The result of your support, and SEVEN hours of my time:

http://www.lloydhumphreys.com/content/tutorials/blend/Learning%20Expression%20Blend%20Part%205%20Resources.zip

http://www.lloydhumphreys.com/content/tutorials/blend/Learning%20Expression%20Blend%20Part%205.pdf

This goes a bit deeper into C# to show y'all how to control and display media. I did this a week back to mess with MediaElements, turns out it fitted in well with this tutorial and threw it in.. little did I know adding code complicated things a lot. Blend puts the copyrighted content I used in 3 different places, so removing it was a nightmare because I forgot where it was, then I left some zipped up folder with the content in it, and I had to reupload the whole thing again.. *sigh*

Anyways, once again thanks for the support... Part 6 in a couple of days, stay tuned :D
April 13, 2008 4:13 PM
 

Andrew said:

@Yuvi: A preposition is a word that shows, in a literal or figurative sense, the location of a noun, called its object. Prepositions include: in, out, at, of, with, without, by, above, below, over, under, for, against, to, from, and quite a few others. The entire construct ("in school," "out the door," "at the park," etc.) is called a prepositional phrase.

The word "preposition" comes from Latin words meaning "placed before." This is, simply, because Latin prepositions were almost always placed immediately in front of the nouns they modified, one of the very few constants in Latin's otherwise mutable word order. English follows this pattern.

Prepositional phrases in this post include "in a literal or figurative sense," "of a noun," "from Latin words" "in front," "of the nouns," "of the very few constants," "in Latin's otherwise mutable word order," and "in this post."

Now you know.
April 13, 2008 5:34 PM
 

older but no wiser said:

they usually use cars for million miles thing, don't they? oh, no! it's for picking up girls and general show off thing:)

don't think cynicism is that bad it's just the state you can genuinely appreciate naivety from:) it's like having a hammer and thinking everything around is a nail thing:) cynicism is just hurt naivety nor more or less:) should you know that when you are 15? it doesn’t matter when you are 15:) actually it doesn’t matter when you are 30 either:)

and i just wonder am i cynical or naive to do just this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preposition ?:)

PS saw Horton movie this weekend:) that was fun:)
April 13, 2008 8:41 PM
 

Yuvi said:

Ah, so I've been using prepositions for long without knowing I've been using them? Cool :)
April 14, 2008 1:15 AM
 

Lloyd said:

Ah, so it hadn't swallowed my post. Silly editor :(
April 14, 2008 11:21 AM
 

Rory said:

deb -

"i don't know that i call them friends.  i don't know that i have anything to offer them."

I think it's a great basis for a friendship. I've been through the crap they're going through, or are about to go through. The 20s were the hardest time of my life. I don't miss them. And if I can help someone else get through theirs without going insane, then it's a good thing, methinks.

In return, I get that point of view that's fresh and insane. Sometimes my younger friends come up with solutions to my problems that I wouldn't have considered, and that I likely wouldn't have gotten from friends closer to my age. You get set in your ways a lot of the time, and when you factor in the inability of many people to see a problem from someone else's perspective, you have a lot of *really* bad advice. If you're young, you're just getting started developing those patterns, and with some of the problems, it might be that they can *only* see them from someone else's perspective. My younger friends, for example, don't know what it's like to deal with certain Career Problems, so they have to work off of the information you provide them. It's helped me out quite a bit.

I figger that's a good friendship on both ends.

"now, about dating younger....i have thoughts on that, but nevermind."

It's a touchy subject for people. But I think people also expect the worst of others.

I don't know what your stance is, but I know what most people think - I got (still to, actually) a lot of crap from people about dating young. It's even turned into a joke among my friends - one of Rory's identifying characteristics. Morgan will point to some teen walking along the sidewalk and say, "She's cute, but... a bit too old for you." It's all in good fun, and I take it that way. My friend Sarah does it, too. It was her birthday last week: "So, now that I'm twenty-five, am I too old to hang out with you?"

Ultimately, though, they know why I've dated the girls I've dated. When teasing me, they conveniently forget about the ones who were older. I think the oldest I've gone is eight years older than me. So, -10/+8. Pretty diverse, and *always* about the person rather than the age.

When I was with Thera, we got looks. I was 28, and she was 19. If you judged her against all the other 19 year-olds out there, then maybe there would be a reason to little in the relationship, but that's still nobody else's business.

If, however, you judged her on her own qualities, you'd see someone who's just insanely unique. Not just that, but more accomplished and responsible than many other people will be until the day they die.

I've always wanted to be out in public with her and to be approached by someone who's livid about our being together. I'd wait for the moment when whoever it is stops reprimanding me, and then I'd get to tell him/her that, when other young adults were still thinking about prom, Tee was working three jobs, putting herself through college, was studying absolutely everything from creative writing to something to do with a mathy aerospace thing or something, and was getting in planes and flying herself around just because she felt like it.

She's also a brilliant writer, brilliant thinker, and one of the most complex people I've ever known.

If all someone saw was that she was nineteen, and if they wouldn't look beyond, they'd never see that this was someone with whom I had a legitimate, deep, meaningful connection - possibly the deepest connection I've had.

I generally only go for ladies who are in some way amazing, but age has had little to do with it, and it's been no indicator of someone's intellect, maturity, responsibility, and so on.

Yep. I've had a lot of time to think about this :)

I know that there are people out there who're attracted to youth for entirely different reasons. Some want control - subordination - to corrupt... that's another story.

"the only thing that drives me crazy about sharing info with the younger kids is realizing how old i've become."

That's common, but it's never bothered me. I really don't mind aging - probably in part because, as I wrote in this post, I had so many older friends when I was young, and age didn't detract from the amazing friendships I had.

There's an obsession with staying young - not saying you're part of that crowd - just moving on to a different but related subject.

I don't understand. My heroes become even more so as they age. I get to know them better, and I appreciate them more and more. They also show that aging doesn't have to take anything away from you. I think that being obsessed with youth is one of the quickest ways to age yourself. By concerning yourself with it, you make it a bigger deal, and it occupies more and more of your thoughts. When you do that, you're regularly telling yourself that you're getting older, and the more you do it, the older you'll get. You tell yourself that the differences are vast, and so they'll become that way. People imprison themselves all the time like this - as odd an example as this might be, there are the people who're paranoid about CCTV cams and wiretapping. The reality is, nobody's spying on you, and if they are, they're getting what they deserve, which is bored. If someone wants to listen to me tell someone that I'm going to the store to buy yogurt, then I think the only loser is the wiretapper. So, even if there *is* a breach of my privacy, I'm not aware of it, and nothing's going to come of it. If, on the other hand, you truly believe They're Watching You, then you'll live your life as though that's the case. You'll have the paranoia and the stress. You'll change the way you live. But it's all your doing - you're trapping yourself.

I *like* getting older. My ex-fiancee recently told me that I'm totally James Bond. That's awesome, and that's not something you can be when you're still a kid/teen/young adult. You need to be able to let things go so you can be charming - you need to have developed some style (not talking about clothing - talking about manner - The Way About You) - you need some "expression lines" (wrinkles) - you need to look like a man rather than a boy or a guy.

When I was a kid, I wanted the signs of age I saw around me. My dad was tall and his shoes were the size of my entire body. I'd walk beside him, and his weight would crunch the gravel while he walked. I barely made a sound. I was envious - I loved the sound it made. I'd also walk in his footsteps, seeing what it was like to have such big shoes.

At the beach, we'd walk along the shore, and, again, his feet would leave deep depressions in the sand. Mind barely made a light outline, and whatever I left was instantly washed away when the water creeped up and over them.

When he lifted his eyebrows, his forehead scrunched into a pattern of several horizontal lines. The lines remained when he relaxed his brows. I wanted those lines. I hated my smooth forehead. I thought the lines looked *so* cool.

I always liked the way eyes looked when an adult smiled. The little lines - back to those "expression lines" (I'll just call 'em wrinkles from here on) - added so much to the smile. A face with those imperfections said so much more to me than some untouched, airbrushed patch of perfect skin.

As I've gotten these things, I've been *happy* about it. I used to hate the way I look. Though I'm still insecure, and though I don't think other people find me attractive, I've grown to dig my appearance. My jaw came in and defined itself - my cheek bones are effing awesome - my perfectly, irritatingly straight hairline has crept back like the widow's peak I always wanted (my friends had them when we were teens, and I was always jealous - my perfect hairline looked stupid). My shoulders grew out, and my various body parts were finally satisfyingly proportioned.

When I was younger, I loved to write, but I had nothing to write about. Without all the experiences I've had, I'd still be writing just to write, and that's the kind of writing I hate most. I'm not one of those writers who's in love with words - I love stories. Without a story to tell, all I have is the instrument, and I'm not a gearhead. It reminds me of the Gibson vs. Fender guitar arguments my friends had when we were growing up. *I* didn't care in the slightest. All I cared about was the song. I don't want or need to be a virtuoso, and I don't worship the instruments I make music with. The song is all that matters, and, again, without anything to say, songs are hard to come by. Young people try to write poetry and lyrics, but it's mostly crap. I've been there, and I feel my lyrics have gotten better. I'm not a good lyricist, but at least now I'm not a terrible one.

Age has been good to me, and I think my security in that makes it easy to befriend or date people much younger than me. If I don't see the age difference as a big deal, they don't seem to either. It matters, just as any difference between two people matters, but it's not actually all that important.

So... age... youth... old wrinkled up people... friendships... relationships...

Bring it on.
April 14, 2008 2:53 PM
 

Rory said:

Have to run, but I *am* going to respond to everybody this time. Out of my funk, and looking to communicate.

Before going away and returning, wanted to get a general message out - directed at Lloyd, but something any of you could experience...

If you have more than three links in your comment, it'll automatically get flagged as spam. I know it seems extreme, but it's been the biggest defense against comment spammers around here. I used to have an awesome CAPTCHA thing I made myself, but it doesn't work with CS, so I have to go to these other inconvenient solutions. (CAPTCHA, for those who aren't geek-enabled, is that system that has you type in the distorted letters from a box to show that you aren't an automated spamming machine - although spammers have written sophisticated tools that can scan those images and determine what the letters are, most CAPTCHA solutions are still a step ahead - there are other options that are far better, but I'm not going to mess with them until I move this site from CS to Graffiti.)

Aight.

So, that's what happened, Young Lloyd Humphreys :)
April 14, 2008 2:58 PM
 

FakeRory said:

This is a really open-minded way to look at friendships. Age isn't all that important unless you make it out to be. A lot of people seem to have a hard time seeing that, and I think our perceptions of their perceptions can make those things awkward sometimes. It's fine though, because it only refines the stream of people who are willing to share that open mindedness with you.

I am in my mid 20s but was spending the weekend with a friend's kid sister and her friends in high school recently, and it was awesome. In fact, I think they were outdrinking me, and one of the flip cup games ended in a spontaneous arm-wrestling tiebreaker. These girls could throw down. It was a great time.

I also think the age when you sort of top out mentally is that 15-18 yrs...only in terms of what you know you like and what you think is important....so if those values get retained, actual age is not as relevant.

Its pretty cool that you had a number of these friends when you were younger. I'm curious how you met each other.
April 14, 2008 7:22 PM
 

punky said:

I think the stuff you wrote about age is the most beautiful and interesting writing you've done in a while.

Of course, we tend to find it aesthetically appealing whenever we see our own thoughts reflected in an illuminating mirror. And time and identity are my favorite topics.
April 15, 2008 12:55 AM
 

punky said:

Also, let me agree wholeheartedly that most young people can't write poetry. Neither can most older people. I hate it when people show me their "poetry", because clearly it holds emotional value for them, and yet as poetry, it's worthless. Not only that, but it is usually worthless in the same way: unoriginal, bland, pompous, generic, unmelodious and cheesy.
April 15, 2008 1:22 AM
 

punky said:

And verbose. I forgot verbose.
April 15, 2008 1:33 AM
 

Yuvi said:

Isn't it not weird that Lloyd and me were the only people to be talking about Expression Blend, Prepositions, cars & student partners :)
April 15, 2008 10:43 AM
 

Lloyd said:

Cars *thumbs up*
Expression Blend *thumbs up*

Hotness :)

And okay, Rory. thanks :)
April 15, 2008 12:00 PM
 

Chris said:

As per my previous comment, I have to go straight to LA after my lunch with a client in San Fran on Thursday. I hit the highway at 1PM so I won't have time finally. Oh well. And no I won't be driving down the coast to add an extra 5 hours and enjoy the scenery. Things are about to get real in LA for me. No more Canadian pseudo-people(I haven't lived in a non socialist country where there is personal responsibility since 1998). I don't even know if I have internet access yet at my apt. Later. Possibly a lot later.
April 15, 2008 4:20 PM
 

CG said:

I take back the James Bond comment.
April 16, 2008 9:44 PM
 

Rory said:

CG -

"I take back the James Bond comment."

You've been very charming lately.

First a scathing "anonymous" comment, and now this.

If there's something you feel you need to settle with me, then write to me about it. This passive-aggressive thing isn't useful, and I don't need it.
April 18, 2008 1:04 AM
 

Celes said:

You could be James Bond.

You'd have some *real* futuregogs.

I'd at least rent it.

/\
| (haiku)
April 18, 2008 6:35 AM
 

milkman said:

April 18, 2008 9:05 PM
 

Chris said:

Hi, this is just to say that So Cal is awesome. No retarded French. No retarded socialist Canada, great weather, low taxes, cheaper gas, tons of VC $$$. A+++ I'm in my new apt and it rules. BTW, San Fran was cold in the morning and the people were more quiet and reserved. LA is way better. I feel like I'm in a GTA game.

As usual, I try my best to read what Rory wrote in his last super long comment, but only make it to the 2nd paragraph or so. :(
April 18, 2008 10:11 PM
 

Rory said:

Celes -

"You could be James Bond."

I didn't know how important the title of James Bond was until it was taken away.

Thanks - I needed that :)
April 19, 2008 1:08 AM
 

Rory said:

Chris -

"Hi, this is just to say that So Cal is awesome."

Glad to hear it. It's a big move - congrats.

You'll find many new worlds of stupidity in LA, but they're really easy to make fun of.

Other things - the sun - beaches - all very, very good... it'll be interesting to see how you feel in a few months. Might change the way you work. Never know...
April 19, 2008 1:09 AM
 

Chris said:

It's funny. The Spanish doesn't bother me because I can't understand it. It's like when I went to Germany kind of.

"Other things - the sun - beaches - all very, very good"

Yeah, it's the best. I actually live in a gated community with some other programmers and IT industry people living next door. So there isn't the smash and grab fear factor one would normally have living in LA.

Quebec and Ontario have far too few resources for the people living there. It makes it so that people wind up like rats jumping all over a tiny piece of cheese. Such as is the case with MERX.com EDP contracts. They're horrible contracts and completely underfunded, but programming shops jump all over them like they're the last scrap of govt cheese for a month. You basically have to be the Canadian front end for reps in India to submit the lowest proposal. This place is great because there are far more resources for programmers and IT people.

I don't think my opinion will change after a few months. I'll let you know if it does though.
April 19, 2008 7:39 AM
 

Chris said:

For anybody wondering what Canada is like and why I hate it so much. It's a socialist country. They tax small business 60%+ on net plus employer side of EI, QPP ect... Where as in the US you can get private workers comp.
They take the money from the productive people then give it to people that have no hope of ever doing anything productive with it.
"save the uneducated mine worker town", "save the bien etre socials"

Then they give HUGE tax breaks and incentives to large corps so that they give people low paying dead end jobs. They practically BEG them to come to Ontario and Quebec. They do this to give people the impression that the Canadian govt are anything but a bunch of commy losers.

So SMB's pay, big business gets paid to provide people dead end employment.
It's a piece of theater that I really didn't want to fund any longer. It's extremely close to communism. The Queen is still the head of state through the gov general and you have no say in govt to change anything. Sponsorship scandal style corruption is the norm, and there are mafia figures like Gagliano all over the Canadian govt.

That's Canada in a nutshell.

No matter what a Canadian company offers you. No matter what sick family member may need your help. Stay out of Canada for your own good. The friendly maple leaf hides a harsh iron curtain.
April 19, 2008 8:07 AM
 

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