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Why Aromatherapy? Rory Sez: Becauseotherapy!

The French got to be very good at perfume because they were very bad at bathing.

Over time, they have become quite skilled at disguising odors with aromas. A quick walk through the city of Paris reveals battles of fetor and fragrance everywhere. On the Metro, a Frenchman keeps his brie warm in his trousers, and in so doing masks the foul smell of those trousers with the delicate, playful bouquet of the beloved cheese. Done well, it is an exacting act of compassion that, like a ballerina, dances from nose to nose, tickling each with a perfume-dipped wand of smelltacular effervescence.

Just like a ballerina.

These people - these French people - even scent Paris's river, the Seine, once a year.

Why do they do it? Because they're French.

That's an odd business, though, perfuming the Seine. Have you seen the Seine? You certainly haven't touched it, as you'd be dead. Like mimes, it's not one of France's more boast-worthy assets. There are some things in the world to which we do not want to draw attention, and the Seine is one of them. Filling it with perfume is just the sort of thing that's going to get people looking at it and thinking about it. "Francois! Look! Soom-eh-one has gone and poot zeh purfyoom een zeh soower!" Scenting the Seine is like dressing a piece of poop in a tuxedo, putting sparklers in its pockets, and taking it on Oprah. You're effectively saying, "Look what I have that you don't want. No, I mean it. LOOK."

One would expect the people of such a lovely smelling country to be happy all the time, smiling at the rosy nose tingles while they join arms and go on strike for the third time in a week to demand larger riviera villas for their government-mandated six weeks of paid vacation each year. I know I would.

But, no - they're not. Despite being viewed by the rest of the world as a shiny, happy, clappy people, the French are actually the largest consumers of antidepressants per-capita of any nation in the world. Maybe even in the whole galaxy. I wonder if aliens get depressed. If they do get depressed, how do they deal with it? Do they talk about what's bothering them? Do they even have mouths? If I saw an alien in my yard, I'd lure it over to me with a candy bar, grab it by the tentacles, take it inside, cook it, and eat it. Alien with a side of alien in alien-sauce. Or I'd sell it on eBay. I dunno. This is one of those I'll-cross-that-bridge-when-I-come-to-it things.

How did the French, masters of odoriferous neutralization, come to be so unhappy? How did they go from having great parties to trying to get the Olympic Committee to recognize nihilism as a sport (one from which they would have been disqualified for use of philosophy-steroids)?

They played with fire.

And they got burned.

The French think they know everything, but they don't. They know neither what number I'm thinking of right now, nor where they made the extreme biffage that landed them in this fine little how-do-you-do.

But I do know: "6" and "Ignorance of the power of odor on the mind and body," respectively.

Smell is a powerful sense. Unlike other senses, such as vision, you can detect odors with it. Try as you might to "see" the dewy soft fragrance of that jar of kim-chee... actually, if it's kim-chee, there's a good chance that the smell is visible, but for all other things, it is not.

The French didn't think about this when they dumped Chanel No. 5 into their river.

When fragrance wafted up from the river and into French people, it didn't go alone. The Seine passes through a few industrial towns and smaller cities before arriving in Paris. Although it is little more than a creek at the source, it's augmented all along the way with the tears of French children whose faces are blackened with the soot of the smoke of the machines in the Perrier factories where they're forced to put bubbles into water purchased by rich people. Do you have any idea of how many bubbles there are in each bottle of Perrier? I lost count once at ten. Over ten bubbles in each bottle, and these kids have to shove each one in by hand. I'm sorry to hit you with this awful truth, but there it is.

The Seine: a river of children's tears. "Seine" is French for "a river of children's tears." "The" is English for "the."

You sad? I'm sad.

In dumping perfume into the Seine, they were dumping perfume into a flood of sadness. They were also, unbeknownst to them and their funny little hats, creating a monster. The perfume bonds to the tears by way of a complex chain of carbon atoms created with a mechloid catalyst enzyme protein emulsifier that breaks down the triple-helix nucleotards at the hydrogenous terminal peptides, forming what we in the field of chemistry call a "buddy" molecule, which is basically two different substances - in this case perfume and tears - making chemical love.

Normally, you couldn't "smell" sadness, but when you have a perfume/tears buddy molecule, your olfactory system is "fooled" and lets everybody in to join the party. The olfactory system bypasses cortical processing and goes straight for the emotional center of the brain. This path allows tears to be processed as olfactory stimuli.

In short, the French have all but made sadness into a nasal spray. All that's missing is the cool bottle that squirts the liquid into your nose. That'd be a cool thing to see in the nasal spray section of your local pharmacy: "Sadness the Nasal Spray... by France."

The point here is that if you aren't paying attention, you can accidentally depress an entire nation with perfume, some child laborers, and a creek.

How could this have been avoided?

I'll tell you how: aromatherapy.

Like string theory, cold fusion, extraction of zero point energy, and Judaism, aromatherapy is a science.

Some people think aromatherapists are just a bunch of hippies peddling wishful thinking in the form of pungent greases, but this is not true! Many aromatherapists are new-agers.

But, be they hippies, or be they not, they all be trained in the SCIENCE of aromatherapy. Like doctors, they have to go to school for almost a month before they're allowed to practice. They learn many things in school such as distinguishing between peppermint/spearmint (harder than you think!!!), and how to say in reference to any oil, "This one cures cancer." In cases where a patient's condition is resistant to aromatherapy therapy, the aromatherapist is trained to distract the patient with a huge bill. "This'll take your mind off that pesky AIDS," they say.

Aromatherapy is all natural. Chemotherapy and antiretroviral drugs are not, and are, therefore, bad. Western medicine is all about chemicals made in laboratories. In being all natural, aromatherapy, unlike those chemicals, never interferes with the progression of a disease. Nature is allowed to continue unabated. As a bonus, people can smell you from two miles away, and assume the existence of a gigantic sage bush in the area. See how that's better? I do. I really do.

All aromatherapists are smart. You'd have to be to be able to not cure diabetes with dandelion oil. Just the other day - this is a true story - I was in my favorite cafe when I met an aromatherapist. She overheard and then interrupted a good conversation I was having with a friend about perfume. Being generous with her time and knowledge, she started talking at me about aromatherapy without asking if I cared. She thought that my interest in fine fragrances somehow translated into an interest in soaking my nipples in a nightshade unguent until they fall off, saving me from ever having to suffer the pain of breastfeeding.

Here's a snippet of our conversation:

Her: Peppermint gets into your blood from the skin in ten seconds and cures headaches in as little as six to eight hours.

Me: Really?

Her: Yes.

Can't argue with that!

...or can you?

Me: How?

Her: Because.

Wow! You can't argue with that!

Still, I think I'm smart, so I wanted to try some aromatherapy out on myself. That way, I'd have PROOF of aromatherapy.

I told her about a problem I was having:

Me: I've been feeling tired lately. Do you have anything for making me feel more awaker?

Her: Are you carrying cash?

Me: No, but I can get some.

Her: OK.

[Twenty minutes later]

Me: Sorry - the nearest ATM was farther away than I thought. What's this going to cost?

Her: What do you got?

Me: Forty bucks.

Her: More.

[Twenty minutes later]

Me: Here's another eighty.

[She sighed and took the measly wad of cash]

Her: Here's some ragweed oil and a guano candle.

Me: A what candle?

Her: Guano.

Me: What's guano?

Her: It's something you make candles with.

Me: Are you sure? Because I thought it was-

Her: HEY - who's the aromatherapist?

Me: Uh... you are.

Her: You are, what?

Me: Um. You are, ma'am!

Her: That's better. I almost had to cast a black spell on you that would have made your aromatherapy not work.

Me: Oh, no!

Her: You got lucky. So, to cure your fatigue, go home, smear the ragweed oil on the walls of your bedroom, turn the heat up to ninety, set the guano candle next to the bed, light it, and go to sleep for at least eight hours. When you wake up, you won't be as tired.

Me: Wow! Mercy me! Goddess bless!

Her: Who's the aromatherapist?

Me: YOU is! YOU dah aromatherapist! Yeah, dawgg!

Her: Ha ha. Now get outta here, you little rascal!

I tried the aromatherapy solution that night, and it almost worked. I tried it again the next night, but this time I took a sleeping pill right before bed. I slept for just over eight hours - like the aromatherapist told me to - and felt GREAT the next day.

All thanks to aromatherapy! Feel the magic! Smell the science!

I have now demonstrated that aromatherapy can be proven to exist. If you doubt me in my assertions, you most likely have skipped over a portion of this paper.

So c'mon, everybody - let's say it together:

Why aromatherapy? BECAUSEOTHERAPY!

Ha ha! Have a great day!

Bye!

Published Friday, July 04, 2008 1:02 AM by Rory

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Celes said:

Another amusing Rory-tale to chuckle at.

I actually dabble in aromatherapy. It's just herbalism only with concentrated essence of plant. I don't know about curing cancer or diabetes or anything (if any of us did, I'm sure it wouldn't be as much of a problem as people seem to think it is), but I do know if I have a cold and I combine some eucalyptus with a carrier oil (to make it stay, essential oils aren't actually oils & they evaporate quickly) and smear it on my chest, it helps clear out all the crappy gunkiness of cold. It's like a natural version of vapor rub.

And I don't like wasabi, so it's better than eating wasabi which will also clear your sinuses out.

As to the why it works, it's because natural stuff contains chemicals that effect our bodies too. If I were a scientist I could break that shit down and tell you exactly what the active ingredients of plants are, but instead I can only tell you the little things they can do that people have just figured out from trial and error over the years.

If you're tired, sleep, take vitamins, eat right, and exercise more. Also, probably, figure out all the chemicals and things your body is missing and replace some of them. If I went through what you just did, I would probably be tired too.

And if you want to make fun of hippies and new agers, go ahead. I just assume you mean not me, because we're internet friends and that wouldn't be very nice.

Besides, I'm obviously not on this chick's level. I don't dabble in guano.
July 4, 2008 6:51 AM
 

Erwin Blonk said:

I gave up on aromatherapy and any other form of non-regulated medicine. It's probably my karma, in a previous existence I must have been very nasty to plants. Unless a laboratory processed the very plantness out of it, it's not gonna work on me.
As for the argument of not believing in it, I had a GP, a nice man, that was anthroposophist ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthroposophy ), so I had my share of it. He did prescribe regular medicine without a problem but you had to ask.
I wanted to believe. It didn't work.
July 4, 2008 7:19 AM
 

Massif said:

Dognabbit! I've been sleeping for over 8 hours and not smearing the walls with ragweed oil and burning batshit. (Is that a subtle reference to "alternative" therapies being batshit crazy?) maybe I could feel more awake than I currently do.

Also I think this is one of my favourite lines from you for a while: "As a bonus, people can smell you from two miles away, and assume the existence of a gigantic sage bush in the area." But then I'm the man who thought a card bearing a bad drawing of a slice of bread and the message "beware the toast which has no ears" would make an ideal birthday card.
July 4, 2008 7:54 AM
 

Rory said:

Celes -

"As to the why it works, it's because natural stuff contains chemicals that effect our bodies too."

I know - it's scary.

Not because I'm against "natural" meds (in my opinion, everything's natural, but that's a discussion in itself), but because it's all totally unregulated.

Ginkgo, for example, thins the blood. About a decade ago, herbal remedy manufacturers could get away with some bad news things. I remember hearing about the stuff from my dad. He told me that it makes you smarter. That was about the extent of the explanation. I was still a teen at the time, and this stuff sounded nifty. I figured that, if it can be sold in a store, it's safe and works.

Curious, I read about it. What I read was basically this: Ginkgo thins the blood, and this allows the blood to reach smaller blood vessels in the brain that are too constrictive for blood at its normal viscosity. This leads to more blood reaching more places in the brain, and that means getting smarter. It improves your memory, IQ, and blah blah blah.

That's not word for word (especially the "blah blah blah" part), but it's very close.

Bought some. It was hard because there were several different brands, and each advertised different levels of different things I didn't understand. The quantity of Ginkgo in each pill varied from brand to brand. Each brand had its own dose recommendations. Confused, I picked the most expensive one, figuring it'd be the most pure and the most trustworthy. Another example of making a thing more desirable simply by making it more expensive.

Took it. Waited. Weeks went by. Money left the pocket weekly.

Never felt smarter - had no way of telling if I was or not. I was already pretty demmed smart.

Finally stopped the experiment and didn't bother with Ginkgo again until 2000.

My time living in Paris was uncomfortable. I was hungry and sick a lot of the time. One night in late 1999, I suddenly developed tinnitus in both ears. Loud enough that it was hard to converse. It didn't go away until a couple years later - I still have a touch, but can ignore it most of the time.

Anyway, I was researching treatment for tinnitus. There basically isn't any - at least not in western medicine. However, I found tons of ads for anti-tinnitus "meds," most of which were just Ginkgo repackaged. That led me to research the stuff again, but this time I didn't just read the label.

After several hours of reading, I was horrified. In 2000, doctors (ER and general) were *just* beginning to ask patients if they took any herbal remedies. Prior to that, people didn't consider their herbal stuff to be "medicine," so, despite some of it actually doing stuff (though typically not what was claimed), it was still just "natural" and therefore not worth mentioning.

Data were finally coming in, and docs were putting it together. Researchers. Whatever. You get the idea.

There's something called "spontaneous bilateral subdural hematoma," and it's about as awesome as it sounds. Basically, your brain suddenly starts bleeding in both hemispheres. Over time, it was observed that some people who developed it had been taking Ginkgo plus at least one other blood thinner. Aspirin, vitamin E, and other meds. It doesn't happen to most, but these ginkgo combos were common enough to warrant attention.

I've continued to read up on this stuff, as I think it's rather important. You have these companies making these supplements and then gaffing their customers. Because none of it's regulated by the FDA as medicine, the companies don't have to come up with any kind of standard dosing plans. They don't have to adhere to the kind of manufacturing processes you'd hope for considering the fact that this stuff *does*, as you said, do stuff. There are some great articles out there about just how messed up all of it is. I doubt, for example, that many customers know that a lot of ginkgo tablets are made from old warehouse stores of ginkgo, and that it's basically compost - rotting - in SE Asia. And, although they make claims about it, the manufacturers don't have to make the stuff according to the purity they advertise. Herbal remedies can basically be a bunch of rotting weeds pressed into tablets (dyed, of course) in wildly varying ratios of ginkgo to filler.

If it didn't do anything, then the only concern here would be that people who are sick, and who might be fed up with western medicine because they're expecting miracles, are getting ripped off. Unfortunately, these people are sick, won't get better from these "remedies," *and* they're getting ripped off.

That's not cool.

Something I haven't touched on yet is that, yeah, ginkgo does stuff, but how did it go from "thins the blood" to "makes you smarter"? I didn't know it at the time, but everything about the "makes you smarter because it thins your blood so it can get to smaller blood vessels in the brain" explanation is preposterous. There were "studies" done in which it was shown that ginkgo can raise IQ levels in people, but not one was both 1) Respected and 2) Repeated. The claims eventually went from making everybody smart to just making seniors smarter, but even that is entirely unproven. It's very similar to the Mozart-makes-you-smarter thing - the "study" in which a group of students were shown to gain a few IQ points while listening to Mozart. It's been repeated many times, but the same findings - the higher IQs - haven't made an appearance. Despite this, there's a whole *industry* out there now that deals with making people - children, seniors, adults, teens, and even *fetuses* - smarter by exposing them to various types of classical music.

I believe that the placebo effect is important. It used to be legal/ethical in the states to give a patient a placebo if it's strongly suspected to be a psychological issue. You can't do this anymore (laws vary from place to place, though), which is good, but I still like the idea.

I'm just not OK with these bastard companies taking advantage of people who *really* need help, and who shouldn't be spending their money on expensive, potentially dangerous weeds, seeds, and so on.

"If I were a scientist I could break that shit down and tell you exactly what the active ingredients of plants are, but instead I can only tell you the little things they can do that people have just figured out from trial and error over the years."

It's the "error" part that worried me.

And this reminds me of another issue - while a plant (or whatever) may have some medicinal use, it might also contain things that are very, very, very bad for you. In medicine, you'd isolate whatever you needed and toss the rest in the trash (there's a four-story trash can out behind the Pfizer plant in Groton (OK - there isn't)). If you are, instead, going for the whole plant, you never know what else you're getting. There are many toxins that build up in the body and don't do significant damage until they reach a certain level. I was just reading about one two days ago - I paid more attention to the concept than the plant itself, but I could go back and get the specifics. It really is fascinating.

Point being, you could take something that makes you feel good for a while, but that suddenly makes your head explode one day.

I'm not saying western medicine is perfect. It's *flawed*. There are people involved, so the flaws are unavoidable. But, I feel strongly that folk medicine such as the herbal remedy stuff is much more flawed. The assumptions, processes, inconsistencies, dangers, lack of any real oversight, is all bad news in my book.

At this point, most people bring up the various pharmaceutical failings western medicine we see from time to time. A drug that turns out to be dangerous in a select few people... tons of procedures and meds from the past that have been replaced by newer, better, safer alternatives... corruption in the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA...

All true. But, if I had to choose between a corrupt system that has *some* oversight, and a corrupt system that, as far as medicine goes, has *none*, I'll take the latter. Many other reasons (such as efficacy of western pharmaceuticals over herbal meds), but that's an easy way of looking at it.

Sick people don't deserve to get sicker. It can happen with western or folk medicine, but you're far more likely to improve your health with western rather than fold medicine. That doesn't go for everything - there are some things that are simple enough that they'll just clear up, or things where the benefit of a substance is suspected but unknown. Menthol is a good example. There's no solid evidence to suggest that menthol works as a decongestant - it *does* feel soothing, but that isn't the same thing as actually clearing the sinuses. You can mix menthol in with hot water and breathe it in, but it's the warm water (steam) that changes the viscosity of mucus so that it's easier to, you know, like, get rid of. In that example, it might appear that a mint oil is as effective as Vicks, but that's because both contain the same active ingredient, and that active ingredient doesn't actually work as a decongestant. So, they *are* basically equal.

Yeah. Yep.

Not cool.

"And if you want to make fun of hippies and new agers, go ahead. I just assume you mean not me, because we're internet friends and that wouldn't be very nice."

It's just fun to write about.

I make fun of hippies because, as a group, I think they're silly. However, I've had many hippie friends over the years. I still do. I'd say that most of my friends identify with some group - hippies, hipsters, yuppies, criminals. I almost always think the group is silly, though I love the individual.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty anti-group/scene/clique. I don't like the pressure to conform. Something that's always seemed funny to me is that there are groups where the people are anti-conformist. It's great because it's part of the conformity. And I'm not against conformity because of what it is - I'm against it because of how stupid some of the things are someone must to do conform.

On the not-so-funny side is that you can get squeezed out of a group simply for being a little different. People want to identify with other people. Much as I dislike them, groups are important. Getting ditched because you're the odd-hippie-out who takes Prozac and doesn't wear patchouli is, methinks, lame.

Getting carried away again.

No: I'm not referring to you in this post :)
July 4, 2008 4:47 PM
 

Rory said:

Erwin -

"I had a GP, a nice man, that was anthroposophist..."

Wow.

Read the wikipedia entry - part of it, anyway - and it's a tad complicated.

Prolly easier to just become a doctor...
July 4, 2008 4:51 PM
 

Rory said:

Massif -

"...burning batshit."

I prefer "lighting the guano candle."

Your way makes it sound like this isn't really medicine.

"Also I think this is one of my favourite lines from you for a while: 'As a bonus, people can smell you from two miles away, and assume the existence of a gigantic sage bush in the area.'"

I'm glad you said that. I was really happy with that line, but didn't expect anybody else to notice (certainly not to mention).

So.

Yay :)
July 4, 2008 4:55 PM
 

Andrew said:

I have completely missed the bus on natural medicine. The people who object to "putting chemicals in our bodies" need to go back to sixth-grade science class. EVERYTHING is a chemical, ya goofs. (gooves?) And the idea that herbs and oils make more sense than exhaustively tested modern medicines is, at best, dubious. I'm put in mind of disease epidemics of olden times (you know, the 1910s) that could have been ameliorated, if not stopped cold, if we'd known then what we know now about disease propagation and prevention.

Yes, modern medicine has its share of bodies on its farm, and I'm certainly not saying that thalidomide flipper babies are an acceptable price to pay for freedom from smallpox. Nor am I saying that there aren't natural remedies that can help people. But to reject the entirety of industrial medicine because of a misunderstanding of the distinction between "man" and "nature" (hint: none) is evidence of poor thinking and a willingness to believe the worst of people, and to believe that natural therapies have no side effects because, hey, it's natural, pays no attention to the reality that many developments in nature have come about to make other things DIE. Let's not help them.
July 4, 2008 6:11 PM
 

Ian said:

"All true. But, if I had to choose between a corrupt system that has *some* oversight, and a corrupt system that, as far as medicine goes, has *none*, I'll take the latter"

I think you meant you'd take the former.
Unless you're a crazy guana smokin hippie..
July 4, 2008 9:49 PM
 

Rory said:

Andrew -

"But to reject the entirety of industrial medicine because of a misunderstanding of the distinction between 'man' and 'nature' (hint: none) is evidence of poor thinking and a willingness to believe the worst of people, and to believe that natural therapies have no side effects because, hey, it's natural, pays no attention to the reality that many developments in nature have come about to make other things DIE."

You described, far more eloquently than I could have, the problem with the words "natural" and "artificial."

Not just in the common belief that manmade things are artificial, but also in the value judgments - that, somehow, artificial is Bad.

I've had the argument a few times - here are some of the most common issues:

---- Medicine isn't natural - people make these chemicals in a laboratory.

The person making the meds is natural. The lab itself is natural, having been constructed from materials of natural origin. We're all made of the same stuff.

---- Fine, but none of it existed in the wild. Again, people made these chemicals.

When a fly pukes on its food to break it down before sucking it up into its disgusting little fly body, it's just taking advantage of its portable lab to do a little chemistry out in the field.

---- But the fly has those chemicals in it - that's not the same!

I don't care where the chemicals came from - in the abstract, it's the same process.

---- People are killing the environment! We're building buildings on nature! People are bad!

There are so many other species of critter that are destroying ecosystems that it'd be impossible for me to even begin to convey how widespread this habit is (I'd say "changing ecosystems," but that's a whole other discussion).

Ants make their hills. Birds make their nests. Beavers build their dams. All of them have the potential to negatively affect the others' environments.

The only difference between man and critter is that we're much better at wrecking things. But it's all - *all* - natural. Creatures modify their environments to suit their own needs. If beavers had access to cheap labor, the right tools, and the necessary materials, they'd be damming everything. They'd come dam your bathtub.

That's nature. Like it or not.

---- But plants are natural and pure and [insert warm fuzzy feel-good adjectives here]!

Nightshade. Hemlock. Every other poisonous plant in the universe.

Death in all its forms is all natural.

---- Prozac wouldn't exist in the wild if man didn't make it! Chemicals! Chemicals! Chemicals!

Yes - chemicals. They're everywhere. They're in Prozac.

Nightshade. Hemlock.

---- But man didn't make those plants! They're natural!

And those plants didn't make man. Man is natural. Hemlock makes death, and man makes Prozac. It's all natural. It's all chemicals.

---- Manmade chemicals! Artificial is bad! If Earth didn't make it, I don't want it!

Everything on Earth that's living is made from stuff that didn't originate on Earth.

Hydrogen... helium... they're out there, existing as they have done for ages.

But getting into many of the heavier elements - everything needed for life - you have elements that were created in stars through processes that would take a little too much room to describe here.

The universe didn't spring into existence with all the elements necessary for the creation of life. It took time. The labs in the center of stars had to make a lot of this crap and disperse it throughout the cosmos by way of exploding.

Without stars - the heavy element factories of the universe - you wouldn't be here to worry about the dangers of saccharine.

---- Buy organic! Corporations are bad! Chemicals melt manatees!

So we're all clear on this, "organic" means something is carbon-based.

All of our food is organic. There is no exception. If you want to say that your food is pesticide-free, that's one thing. Organic is something else entirely.

--------------

And so on.

My view is: Everything is natural. Nothing exists that is not natural. Everything in the universe is made of the same basic stuff.

I'm guessing your views are similar.

Think I might have another post in the works about this...
July 6, 2008 6:08 PM
 

Rory said:

Ian -

"I think you meant you'd take the former.
Unless you're a crazy guana smokin hippie.."

Yeah - I did :)

Oops.
July 6, 2008 6:09 PM
 

xtine said:

Hey Rory, can I borrow your poop candle sometime?  I've been having a hell of a time falling asleep lately.  
Dare I ask: so what exactly does a burning poop candle smell like....?
July 7, 2008 11:15 AM
 

Tee said:

Did you know that the Great White Bat has Great White Guano?

No?  That's because you're a mere mortal.

P.S. I learned that from Ace Ventura: Pet Detective 2  ;)
July 8, 2008 1:45 PM
 

Celes said:

"It's the "error" part that worried me."

As it should with all medicines. Just because western medicine mostly consists of isolated chemicals doesn't mean we fully (or even mostly in some cases) understand what they can mean for it's interaction with you or me. Anything you expose yourself to is a risk, really. Medicine is no different.

In response to your Ginko story, I have a story too about St. John's wort (taken for depression). To skip all the dramatic build up, basically I knew someone taking it that didn't know that it has photo sensitivity as a side effect and was already sensitive to the sun. I wasn't too sympathetic. As you pointed out with the Ginko, the information is floating out there even if people are too dumb to read.

Herbs have side effects too just like other medicines! Wow.. People forget that they are made of real stuff just like regular drugs. Yeah, everything is natural in a broader sense- a discussion for another time, but I dig that. (after reading below- Yeppers! People are even part of the natural world. It's something I often argue with people about)

"while a plant (or whatever) may have some medicinal use, it might also contain things that are very, very, very bad for you. In medicine, you'd isolate whatever you needed and toss the rest in the trash (there's a four-story trash can out behind the Pfizer plant in Groton (OK - there isn't)). If you are, instead, going for the whole plant, you never know what else you're getting."

There's a equal flip side to that. People isolate these medicinal chemicals sometimes without realizing that the other chemicals they were placed with were relevant to the type of effect they have on the body. The most widely consumed medicinal herbs (also known as vegetables) are the best examples of what science is just beginning to figure out. Even the chemicals that give vegetables their color (lutein, beta carrotine, antioxidants to name a few) have an effect on our bodies. Once upon a time people seemed to think (and some still do) that you can replace these pesky plants with vitamins... but if you do, we've found many chemicals that your body likes and is missing out on. What else has science yet to discover?

Isolating the chemical from the plant isn't completely safe either. It could be what made it work in the first place was a combination of chemicals present working together.

More research is defiantly needed- and more careful consideration of what we do know. The ginko thing- scary since all the info was out there yet somehow it still got misused. With all that we don't know, to miss the things that have been discovered is a shame.

"There's no solid evidence to suggest that menthol works as a decongestant - it *does* feel soothing, but that isn't the same thing as actually clearing the sinuses."

Sure, the senses aren't a scientific way of determining whether something works, but in this case it's good enough for me.

I'm not into other medicines because I reject modern ones, it's because I think plants have a lot to offer, I think they're cool, and I don't knock it if it works well.

"I make fun of hippies because, as a group, I think they're silly. However, I've had many hippie friends over the years. I still do. I'd say that most of my friends identify with some group - hippies, hipsters, yuppies, criminals. I almost always think the group is silly, though I love the individual."

I never said I identified with being a hippie or anything. I hate labeling people into narrow categories. I find it silly. It's like the hipster thing we were tweeting about. I am amused at how important they think it is to confuse their own identity with a label someone else made up. John#1 and I found a website at work a couple weeks ago that ranted about the difference between scenesters and hipsters and how one was good, the other bad, and how to tell them apart in social settings. This person was serious. I was seriously shaking my head and laughing with John #1. It's just a human made label. Who cares?

This doesn't stop people from trying to label me.

If any, I am kinda into the label 'geek', but that one is pretty damn broad. It might be why I like it. Anyone can be some type of geek in their own right.

"No: I'm not referring to you in this post :)"

Muh ego is crushed! ;) I had a large aromatherapy and herbalism on my 'existed in 1995' website. It consisted of as much info I could gather from books and the web. I started with all the known poisonous and dangerous stuff and put up warnings for them. I was afraid of people taking advice from my site and hurting themselves. Yes, I was a preteen at the time.

"All of our food is organic. There is no exception. If you want to say that your food is pesticide-free, that's one thing. Organic is something else entirely. "

It may be a silly label, for sure, but the meaning behind the bad labeling is still worth while. Eating food grown with chemicals we know are bad for us (etc) is probably not that smart. Yeah, I still do it, though I would rather not to.

We put a lot of potentially hazardous things in our bodies without much thought.

I'll end this by saying yay for the herbs growing on my porch, and hurrah for basil. I love it- (all medicine aside) soooo tasty and smells great when I pass by it.
July 9, 2008 9:41 PM
 

punky said:

I think of alternative medicine as a low-tech, high-risk take on the problem of curing illness. It's like refusing to ask the tribal elders which berries to eat in an unknown jungle because you'd rather find out on your own (on advice from the village idiot). Good luck with that.

The main difference between alternative and western medicine is that the former is unscientific dabbling with nature, whereas the latter is scientific dabbling with nature.
July 9, 2008 11:50 PM
 

Sofia said:

One possible explanation of why herbs, etc. are not regulated to the degree of western medicine is the lack of regard for their ability to affect physiological processes, be it to boost brain power or temper a malady. They are, as you pointed out, chemicals with the potential for very real side effects.

“I feel strongly that folk medicine such as the herbal remedy stuff is much more flawed. The assumptions, processes, inconsistencies, dangers, lack of any real oversight, is all bad news in my book.”

While I agree that a consistent and thorough oversight process needs to be established, the assumptions and consequential dangers many-a-times result from negligent self-administration of these herbal remedies. Why haphazardly put herbs in one’s body? Again, most people do not consider them chemicals. However, there are legitimate avenues available for one to seek herbal treatments, i.e. naturopaths. Their extensive training entails how these herbal remedies interact with a person’s body, considering individualities such as specific sensitivities and previous and current western medicinal treatments. Resources are available, people need to simply quit being so lazy and apathetic.  


A note to Celes: tell your friend St. John’s Wart also diminishes the potency of most hormonal-based birth control.
July 10, 2008 8:24 AM
 

Jason818 said:

thought i would just swing by your site and say hi, see what your up to, see how your doing. i thought about lirking but then desided to say something. its hard to watch some one go threw a hard time. and unless i can send lots of money you said, dont bother. well i dont have lots of money to give. so i guess your sore out of luck here. but, hmm. i dont know. just thought i would say hi.
July 10, 2008 5:41 PM
 

Chris said:

I never heard about the French perfuming the Siene river. I do know French is annoying as hell and when I went to France in 2005 to visit Paris some dumb French lady barreled into me near the subway entrance then told me it was my fault and nearly pushed me to the ground. I had not moved at all. I was just standing there. She ran into me, yelled at me, then pushed me for not escalating it.

French Canadians are even worse.

BTW, I am going back to community college, then 2 years at another school. Long Beach City College accepted me.

http://www.sitespaces.net/blog.php?viewblog&12234

I start in September, wish me luck. Last time I was majoring in music. This time I am majoring in programming.
July 10, 2008 7:19 PM
 

Chris said:

nm about college. I have to wait until next year.
http://adminblog.sitespaces.net/blog.php?viewblog&12246

I don't meet the state residency requirements to get cheap classes yet. :( You would have because you're from WA, and that's apparently a compatible state.
July 12, 2008 6:05 PM
 

Celes said:

"A note to Celes: tell your friend St. John’s Wart also diminishes the potency of most hormonal-based birth control. "

This friend was a dude. :)

"Resources are available, people need to simply quit being so lazy and apathetic."

I concur. People are like this with all medicines and nutrition in general. There must be a quick, easy fix to a perfect life with no consequences, research, or work. It's not that there are medicines without side effects, it's that you're ignorant of them. Even isolated chemicals have a range of effects on the body... we can use Rory as living proof, but I bet we all have at least a few stories of our own. To make things more complicated, there's a range people that things effect differently.

Caution with medicine in general, and going the extra mile to research what may or may not happen for you, is more than worth it. The doctor is not a messiah or a fortune teller. They're trained professionals in a field that is not as much an exact science as people have faith that it is. When you take that role ad say 'hey, I'm going to take this herbal supplement', you're not even a professional, and chances are you didn't bother to do your homework.

And then there is also that life just happens. Just by living I am exposing myself to chemicals I don't have a lot of control over. The best we can do is try to use things that are likely to live us the best quality of life with what knowledge is available to us.
July 15, 2008 6:43 AM
 

GuyIncognito said:

Was this posted on 04-07 or 07-04?

At yoga they rub our feet with lavender oil and it's pretty nice.  What's that you say?  Lavender oil has causes young boys to grow breasts?  I see.  Well, I am taking yoga in the first place.  I'm pretty sure I couldn't get any less masculine in that respect...



July 18, 2008 11:16 AM
 

Erwin Blonk said:

Rory -

Don't spend too much time on anthroposophy. It's basically a lot of words and if you get down to the parts that are actually worth something, you'll find that's just some common sense thrown into it for good measure. The most interesting part of the Wikipedia article is about the argument that double-blind testing does not work in anthroposophy because the treatment is personal. Did I hear an alarmbell go off somewhere?

As for all things being natural, I'm with you there and I've argued this for as long as I can remember, back to early childhood. I never understood the separation.

With homeopathy the argument that it is all natural so it can't hurt is non-sensical to me (I always loved to throw in the all-natural poison some Amazon indians - and probably others to - on occasion dip their arrows in, that's one natural cure I rather skip). Anything that works has side-effects, even if they can be ignored. Anything that is able to take on heavy ills, has to do that with heavy artillery. It coming directly from a plant does not exempt it from this.
When my wife had a severe asthma attack in the making, to 40-something flower-extract injections (read: 99,999% water) did not work. An inhaler did the trick where homeopathy could not prevent it. I will have a look at any medicine or treatment that has been tested scientifically or at least methodically.
July 23, 2008 3:06 AM
 

Chris said:

Rory, I just started a new tech blog called Techlusive.

http://www.techlusive.com

I hired 4 writers. Please tell your friends!!!
July 23, 2008 4:29 PM
 

aristo said:

knock...
knock...

Did you go for long holiday Rory?
July 26, 2008 8:23 PM
 

Chris said:

I just want to chime in and say that I hope Rory didn't go to an expensive hotel, then kill himself.

That would suck. I already know 3 people that killed themselves.

They do closed caskets on that sh1t Rory. Don't do it.
July 28, 2008 3:41 PM
 

Andrew said:

Rory's been on Twitter in the last couple of days, so no fears on the death score.
July 28, 2008 4:27 PM
 

Andrew said:

Meant to add that if Rory wants to off himself, I fully support his right to do so, although on a personal level, I really wish he wouldn't.
July 28, 2008 4:28 PM
 

Chris said:

"Meant to add that if Rory wants to off himself, I fully support his right to do so"

I don't know what to think of this. It's an interesting statement though.
August 3, 2008 3:48 PM
 

Andrew said:

Simple: I believe people should have the right to kill themselves if they so choose.
August 3, 2008 9:25 PM
 

Rory said:

I have not taken advantage of my right to kill myself :)

Some days I wish I would, and some days I'm very glad I haven't.

Right now I'm glad I haven't.

I've been gone because I've been reading a lot, hanging out with people a lot, and using my "free time" to figure out how I'm going to make money from here on out (see my latest post - the one just after this one).

Hoping to remember to take time to write for fun here. It's just easy to put off when I have so much other stuff to do. Been trying to figure out how the publishing industry works, and if I have any real shot at making a living in it. I feel like I could do it, but it's *so* complicated.

Argh.
August 4, 2008 5:44 PM
 

Rory said:

Hey, all -

I have to turn off comments for this post - sorry.

The spammers have gone nuts on it. You won't see the comments, but they're still getting stored in the DB, and that's making life a pain...
August 5, 2008 3:01 PM
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