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Are "Scientific Creationists" - Like Tom Bethell - Geniuses?

We who live in the Portland, OR, great city of the United Places of the 'Merica, have little to brag about, but what little we do have, like a cow in the Great Depression, we milk for everything we can, and then we sell the rest to glue factories, dog food companies, and school cafeterias.

We're known for being uppity about trees getting chopped down. Your trees, our trees - it doesn't matter - we just don't like it when you get all chop-chop on the majestic forest-y towers of nature.

We're known for our superhuman smugness. It enables us to get upset at you for renting a tree in twain, though all the while we're clear-cutting something to make room for a new hybrid car factory. Then we drive our hybrid cars at you. Not near you, not around you, not over you - at you. Nothing says I'm-better-than-you than strapping yourself into something that gets slightly less bad gas-mileage than the lightweight econobox being driven by someone who didn't have the tens of thousands of dollars lying around needed to purchase the ultimate license of self-righteousness.

We're also known for having, during Portland's developmental years, moved all the minorities (in this town, that means roughly a dozen people) into the swampland just north of the city proper.

In that last case, by "known for having," what I meant was, "You've never, ever heard about this, and as long as we continue to make smugness the state bird, you never will. Except for here when Rory opened his big mouth. We already hated him, and now we have enough cause to ride our bicycles out to his home in the middle of the night to poke him with pitchforks (made from 100% post-consumer recycled plastic) until he repents. After that, we'll tie him up behind someone's eco-friendly vehicle (probably a Segway) and drag him around town, picketing and protesting him the whole way because of the way his body parts are littering the street and destroying the natural environment. We knew he was evil when we found out he got a job with Microsoft - it's time to pay the piper. And wouldn't you know it - the piper's having a sale..."

These attractions aside, we have one (1) thing for which we deserve to be smug as all get out:

Powell's Books

It's famous. Maybe not as famous as that chipmunk or whatever it was that made the hilarious face on YouTube while this funny music made it look like the hamster or whatever it was hiccupped and scared its panda baby while lighting its own flatulence - nothing is that famous - but still pretty famous, at least based on the meatspace variety of celebrity where you can become reasonably well known without being a gassy rodent.

As far as bookstores go, there's nothing like it. If you say otherwise, and if you can prove it, Portland will have you assassinated, so best shut up, sit down, and keep on reading. Nobody likes a whistle-blower. Unless they're dead. A dead whistle-blower is an Ok whistle-blower. So don't try to be a hero. Not today.

I have set foot in every part of the globe that is the US, Canada, Mexico, the UK, Fiji, or continental Europe. Taking into account the total area in which I've actually traveled, I figure only 99.9% of the world is yet virgin to my boots. I've seen the way they do surveys - the opinions of an entire nation can supposedly be divined from phone conversations with .000001% of a population during dinner time. Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to say that, based on my representative treks, I can authoritatively comment on the entire planet. It's all just McDonald's and Starbucks now anyway.

Considering my status as a man of the world (which I proved in the last paragraph), I feel confident that I can state this fact and delete any comments of yours that contradict me:

Powell's Books is the largest bookstore in the universe. It might be the largest store of any kind. You can see it from outer-space. Powell's Books covers 9/10ths of the Earth's surface and 10/10ths of the moon's. It's that big.


A view from the street of one of Powell's many spacious bathrooms

I've lived in other cities, and they were all stupid. The people were different from the people I'm used to hating. It takes a lot of effort to get to know a city well enough to be able to stereotype its inhabitants. I like it right here, thankyouverymuch.

These other cities had nothing at all like Powell's. There are these stupid bookstores littered across Mother Gaia that have stupid books in them and stupid people who work there and, to get the stupid book you want, you have to order it. If I wanted to order a book, I'd have picked up a menu. Yeah! ZING!

You say you don't have shelf space for the rare out-of-print edition of "Handguns for Dummies" (with blood-resistant plastic coating) I want? Well, sir, then I say you don't have yourself a customer! Yeah! ZING!

That's the beauty of Powell's. Unlike other stores, there's infinite shelf space. Every book ever made ever is in that store. With Powell's, everything I've never wanted is right there.

"Hello, Powell's, employee," I might say, "Could you perchance direct me to a book on communist tomato stockpiling?"

"'New Age'," says the employee, "Walk three miles over that way [pointing] and turn left at our life-size recreation of Mount Rushmore. Oh, and did you want books on Marxist tomato stockpiling, or Maoist tomato stockpiling?"

"Neither," I'd say.

"We have that, too," would say he.

"Bless."

The other day, I visited the science wing of Powell's. I like to educate myself on things that make me sound smart at parties.

"Hey, Cindy," says some scrumptious party-goer to another, "Did you see that hot guy over there? Not only is he really hot, but, aside from being hot, he also knows smart things. He was telling me about something called 'electricity' and I thought it was witchcraft, but he's so hot."

"Really? I saw him earlier and he's SO hot, but I didn't know he was smart, too. Yum-yum."

"I saw him first."

"Back off, bitch."

While looking for one of these smarty science books, I accidentally found something called "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science" that was written by some jackass science fraud named Tom Bethell. I would've missed the book, but I noticed a biggish black thing on the shelf. It took me a minute, but I figured out that it was a mini black-hole, probably created when the stupidity of the book in question reached critical density and collapsed in on itself, capturing nearby light and putting all the legitimate knowledge on the shelf at risk.


If you like stupid, you'll love Tom Bethell

Being a General in the Army of Genius, I was able to reach in, grab the book, and remove it from the shelf before it damaged anything else. It scalded my hands (or my hands scalded it - hard to say), but, nevertheless, I wrapped it in my coat, ran for the cashier line, ran past the cashier line and right out the exit. Two security guards followed me out, yelling at me, telling me to stop. Normally, when stealing something, I'm very cooperative, but this thing was bigger than me - bigger than those security guards. This was about saving others from Tom Bethell's glossy paperback lobotomy. I shouldn't have done it, but I turned around, pulled back my coat, and flashed the book at the guards. They came to a dead halt, fell over, and their eyes glazed as they started mumbling something like, "AIDS is a sham... AIDS is a lie... AIDS is an elaborate hoax perpetrated by black commie lesbian homosexual cross-dressing atheists..."

There was nothing I could do. They must have accidentally seen some of the words on the cover of the book when I used it on them. Unprepared, few people could withstand such an assault on the intellect. I only survived because I have so much brain to spare that a few cells 'sploded by Tom Bethell's concentrated stupidity aren't enough to make a difference. I think. Hang on.

Ok...

Wait...

Fine. I'm fine. Just wanted to check to see if I could still calculate pi out to the trillionth digit in my head in the same amount of time it would take Tom Bethell to verbalize the totality of his scientific knowledge. That's about zero (0) seconds. Everything checks out. Cool.

Back to the book.

Having saved the world from the copy of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science" I got at Powell's, I decided to read it. Given Tom's involvement with The Discovery Institute and The American Spectator, both so insanely conservative and counter to the advancement of the human race that they should even shame most "normal" Christians, it's not easy to ignore his writing. In fact, if you're a Christian, and if you're "progressive" enough to get that modern Christians, when acting with compassion the way Christ did, can do a hell of a lot of good for the world, you should consider it your duty to educate yourself about how certain people are making your religion look very, very bad. I'm not sure that the Christ who fed the poor and cured the sick would be too happy with the way a small, but noisy, group is using his name to strive for just the opposite.

Sure, The Discovery Institute presents itself as an organization seeking to better stuff 'n things with science 'n stuff, but unless you're as talented at self-deception as the guys who run it are, it doesn't take long to see it's just religion with faux-scientific window dressing. In that, it's an insult to science and religion.

No honest scientist could possibly accept The Discovery Institute as having anything at all to do with real science, and Christians ought to be miffed by their promotion of things like Intelligent Design - crap theories wrapping religious ideas in bad science that undermine one of the foundations of Christianity: faith. The Discovery Institute isn't supporting science with its promotion of Intelligent Design, and it isn't serving Christianity by implying that Genesis needs a scientific explanation. If anything, it makes evolution look more credible by validating it with an elaborate attack in the form of ID. Nobody except these namby-pamby intellectually anemic spreaders of the butter of ignorance on the toast of humanity could possibly gain anything here.

The problem is that there are plenty who have something to lose. One of the most famous examples is the Kansas State Board of Education embarrassment. If you missed it, a squad of asstards tried to get Intelligent Design into the schoolbooks (President Bush wouldn't have minded either - as quoted on page 199 of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science": "Both sides ought to be properly taught so people can understand what the debate is about."). I don't know exactly what he meant, as I'm not sure he "understood what the debate is about."

Intelligent Design should be taught, I think, and it has been taught for years - in philosophy classes. The most famous example is from William Paley, the guy who brought us the watchmaker analogy. Overly simplified to fit in the space of this paragraph, the watchmaker analogy is the idea that, should you happen to come across a watch, its various qualities suggest that it was designed and created by someone - someone intelligent - an intelligent designer, and that we can view life in the same way. It's fuel for navel-gazing, but ideas about watches don't, without a lot of forceful grunting, work for explaining what evolution does so well. In other words, Intelligent Design, if it's taught in schools, belongs in philosophy classes, but has no place in science classes. If taught in biology, unless it's taught as an example of faulty scientific thinking, can only take up time that could otherwise be used to, I don't know, teach kids something that isn't totally retarded.

Still... as the title of the post suggests, people like Tom Bethell may actually be geniuses.

In reading his book, it's obvious he's done his research. He quotes and refers to major evolutionist works and authors. He often quotes them out of context, frames them as morons, and tampers with their words in other ways, but he has studied this stuff. He's not stupid. I hate to say it, but he's just not. That's probably the scariest thing about it.

After studying evolution, reviewing the evidence, engaging in debates, writing papers, writing books, and basically living his life around ideas, this guy has still managed to present his case in a way that gives you the impression he actually believes what he's saying. If this is part of some greater agenda that'll somehow make him and his cronies a bunch of money, I'm actually all right with it. They'd be no different from proponents of Complimentary and Alternative Medicine or the guys who peddle all the "As Seen on TV" garbage to poor people who're up in the middle of the night because they don't have jobs to go to the next day and have a little room to spare on their credit cards.

If, however, this guy truly buys his own arguments, then he's a genius. If your standard Christian rejects evolution based on nothing more than a lifelong association with the religion and the Bible, I actually get it. If you haven't made an effort to learn about evolution from practitioners of "good" science, if you have no reason to believe it, and if you think believing it would go against your faith, then discounting evolution isn't such a crazy idea. But if you, like Tom Bethell, have immersed yourself in, researched, and written about evolution, and if you've done so to the extent that you've managed to get people to give you money to do it, you've encountered the evidence, and you've somehow defeated it in your head. The evidence in favor of evolution is so strong that going against it, when you're immersed in it, is like trying to swim upstream with all your limbs cut off, pulling yourself along the bottom using only your tongue.

There are a few widespread gross misunderstandings of science out there. The one I encounter most often is the belief that we only use 10% of our brains. That's worthy of its own post. There's potential for crossover in respect to Bethell's thinkmeat, but, again, in its own post.

One misunderstanding you'll encounter almost as often is a belief that, when scientists say evolution is a "theory", they mean to say that it's a loosely assembled collection of vague notions. We hear it on TV and in movies all the time in phrases like, "Theoretically speaking..." and "...but it's just a theory" that imply a speculative stance rather than one of certainty.

When used in science, the word "theory" is just a smidge away from "fact". Some people are comfortable calling evolution a fact, but the truth is that, abundant as the evidence is, we don't have, for example, a PBS documentary showing macroevolution (the kind of evolution that produces animals like you 'n me) taking place with time-lapse photography. We can't. Humans have been around in their current form for a long time - as much as 200,000 years. We've only had PBS for a small portion of that time. If direct observation of macroevolution is a criterion of proof, we're a little screwed. If that PBS special is the line between theory and fact, I'm all right with that. Plus, microevolution - evolution on the scale of things that are alive and that comfortably exist in populations of bajillions inside your nose - isn't such a mystery. It's not like we're entirely unable to directly observe some form of evolution.

Like any analogy, this one ultimately sucks, but: We don't have to travel to another star to determine its composition. We didn't have to be around a few billion years ago when our sun was formed to be able to determine its approximate age.

We also don't have to observe evolution as it happens to be able to show beyond doubt that it's real. We sentence people to death and invade countries based on evidence that isn't remotely as conclusive as that for evolution.

It's amazing that people deny that the evidence for evolution is insufficient, yet they're fine with the idea that there's an Intelligent Designer. If proof of evolution is incomplete, proof of a designer is non-existent. It's a fantastical guess.

For me, the easiest thing to do is accept evolution as fact-ish. I don't have the time or energy to construct the mental scaffolding necessary to support "scientific creationism".

Tom Bethell clearly has more time on his hands, and that's saying a lot since I'm unemployed.

If he really believes what he's putting out, his creative abilities and his intellectual capacity to make his fantasies real are the mark of genius.

But that doesn't make him not a poo-face.

Published Monday, September 08, 2008 6:34 PM by Rory

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Joe said:

Intelligent Design Society of Kansas:
http://craptaculus.com/eac/ID/index.shtml
The FAQ and publications sections are delicious (the rest is crap).

September 8, 2008 7:58 PM
 

punky said:

I like the picture of the author.
September 8, 2008 11:33 PM
 

Massif said:

Aaahhh Science. I say we stop this namby-pamby arguing and researching that we've been doing for years, and get back to the cutting from which Science gets it's name.

Now, I'll grant you the original cutting was probably the metaphorical type, but the image of a bunch of Ph.D's, 8" blades in hand menacing the church of scientology is just too good to be let go of easily.

Anyway, since when was there a debate on ID vs. Evolution? I thought it went along the lines of:
ID Folks: "Evolution is a myth, I'm sticking my fingers in my ears now so I can't hear your rebuttal."
Clever people: "You guys are morons."

Lacks the cut and thrust of a good debate if you ask me.
September 9, 2008 1:31 AM
 

JoeG said:

Ya know, I've always thought Evolution was a pretty intelligent design myself. When the environment changes, the species best able to adapt, survive. Seems like a good way to go if you're creating living things in a world that might...um...change a little now and then.


September 9, 2008 9:52 AM
 

John said:

The term 'theory' refers to a formal system. When scientists and creationists (who know what they're talking about) use the term they mean the same thing. It's important to understand what this word means. In the present day computer programmers are among the best placed to gain such an understanding, owing to the nature of their work.

It's misguided to conflate religion and science. The purview of science is considerably more constrained than theology or philosophy.

The error of most of our culture lies in a misunderstanding of what it is possible to achieve with a 'theory'. This error has infected the Church as much as it has the University.

You should read that book I sent you.
September 9, 2008 10:33 AM
 

Celes said:

Rory, you need to really stop using Cindy as your 'here is a random girl's name' writing device. As flattering as it is, it freaks me out a little.  To all of those out there who don't know this, Cindy is my really real in person real name. If you met me and said "Celes!" assuming you even could come up with the right pronunciation I wouldn't likely respond with "Over here!".

But anyways, Rory... back to the use of my name in Neopoleon. Now, not only am I supposedly going to meet your best friend Felix when his dog explodes and we fall madly in love (or something like that... see future-gogs videos), but apparently I'm at some party fighting with someone over some smart and hot guy (implied to be you). I mean, what is up with me? Apparently I am so busy with these people in Portland I've never met: meeting, falling in love with, drooling over, and getting their dogs exploded all over with me... no wonder I never have time for anything anymore.

I blame you. I would blame the right-wing-weirdos, but they didn't take my name in vain. It was you.

But then, I am a bit flattered that you work me into the Rory-verse over and over, so let's reach a compromise... one that involves me getting royalties, or some kind of perk. I mean, if I am going to deal with a dog exploding, the least you could do is give me my own trailer.
September 9, 2008 12:46 PM
 

S said:

I always preferred the "banana" argument that proves God's existence.  Even better is the lesser known "peanut butter" argument.  If you search those along with "atheist" on YouTube, you'll see what I mean.
September 10, 2008 9:45 AM
 

Erwin Blonk said:

If what I see around me constitutes intelligent design, it's a good thing the planet is round or I would jump off it. What kind of design is this?
If I was the desginer, I'd be tempted to blame something or someone else for the mess it caused, product liability be damned.

Here's a revised watchmaker analogy: if a watchmaker made watches with the quality and accuracy of the human body, he wouldn't be selling any.
September 10, 2008 2:37 PM
 

missus lawz said:

yes... i agree Powell's is like nothing else... the options, the staircases, and yes the multiple hidden bathrooms.  austin, tejas didn't have anything close.  appreciate your observations and thoughts.  nice to hear your voice.

actually i believe the world is not flat or round but like a melon... with irregularities, curves, imperfections, and potholes.  ppl around pdx (like anywhere else, in some cases, other places more) are very flat with rough patches and potholes on the surface.  too many are focused on being good enough when sometimes we need to just exist and enjoy.  evolving is a good thing but shouldn't be rush on urgency out of fear.  

hope you don't mind my engagement old friend!
September 10, 2008 11:53 PM
 

punky said:

@Erwin

It's called a <a href="http://www.laputan.org/mud/">Big Ball of Mud</a>.
September 11, 2008 12:37 AM
 

punky said:

No HTML comments, it seems. Oh well (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4HGlmtOcg).
September 11, 2008 12:39 AM
 

Rory said:

punky -

"I like the picture of the author."

I kept looking at the photo and thinking I should come up with witty commentary, but nothing arrived.

Your commentary is the commentary I wish I'd come up with.

Thank you.
September 11, 2008 4:00 PM
 

Rory said:

John -

"The error of most of our culture lies in a misunderstanding of what it is possible to achieve with a 'theory'. This error has infected the Church as much as it has the University."

The problem I've found isn't so much that the "error has infected ... the University," but that many scientists don't want to validate arguments by responding to them. Like the whole Immanuel Velikovsky thing. Nobody wanted to talk about it because it was so nuts, but his ideas made their way into the mainstream and, once there, almost needed a response (or else people were going to keep on talking about Venus being a comet that was vomited out of Jupiter or whatever in the hell his argument was - I forget, as I haven't read his mess in over a decade).

There isn't a big hurry to "correct" people. There's a vocal minority that's uppity about it (Richard Dawkins probably being one of the biggest sources of that uppitiness right now), but others, I think, are content to keep on keeping on with their work (which probably keeps them busy enough as it is).

"You should read that book I sent you."

I actually do pull it off the shelf now and then - I haven't tried to read it sequentially, but have skipped around. It's a Very Big Book, and my attention span, although not particularly short, also isn't particularly long. I skip around a lot with all my books.

But, just so you know, mister, nearly all my books are in storage. Yours was one of a dozen I chose to take with me when I moved everything from my Seattle place to my Portland place a couple months ago.

So there :)
September 11, 2008 4:08 PM
 

Rory said:

Massif -

"Now, I'll grant you the original cutting was probably the metaphorical type, but the image of a bunch of Ph.D's, 8" blades in hand menacing the church of scientology is just too good to be let go of easily."

Word. Trepanning needs to make a comeback.
September 11, 2008 4:14 PM
 

Rory said:

Celes -

"Rory, you need to really stop using Cindy as your 'here is a random girl's name' writing device."

That's so funny... I totally don't realize it when I'm doing it. I actually stop and think about what the name of my Random Girl is going to be, and, after much thought, I always, apparently, come up with Cindy.

If it's any consolation, when I bring you up in conversation, I call you Celes. I think of you as Celes. I also think Celes is a much more appropriate name for you than Cindy. It's not that there's anything wrong with Cindy - it's a good name - but I use it *because* it feels like an all American sorority pillow-fighting, bra-freezing girl's name.

You're rather eccentric. Celes is an eccentric name. Celes is a good name for you.

"But anyways, Rory... back to the use of my name in Neopoleon. Now, not only am I supposedly going to meet your best friend Felix when his dog explodes and we fall madly in love (or something like that... see future-gogs videos)"

Wow... I'd forgotten about that. I tend to forget about stuff I've written/said/etc.

I remember really liking that part. The dog exploding part. If I recall correctly, it was very funny.

Like, REALLY funny. WAY WAY WAY FUNNY.

But that's just my opinion.

"But then, I am a bit flattered that you work me into the Rory-verse over and over, so let's reach a compromise... one that involves me getting royalties, or some kind of perk. I mean, if I am going to deal with a dog exploding, the least you could do is give me my own trailer."

I'd be happy to work out a royalty deal with you.

I'm prepared at this time to give you 90% of all Neopoleon proceeds.

Unfortunately, as Neopoleon is not currently turning out a profit (but we will ANY DAY NOW), the site puts me in the hole each year.

Your share, then, comes to about $120.

I'll send you the bill.
September 11, 2008 4:26 PM
 

Rory said:

Erwin -

"If I was the desginer, I'd be tempted to blame something or someone else for the mess it caused, product liability be damned."

I've been avoiding the comments for this post because every time I've *mentioned* religion in the past, it's gotten me all kinds of angry responses. I don't do it to rile people up, but I expect some degree of upset (even if it's unwarranted) as a byproduct of such posts.

So, this morning, as I was prepping for the day, I had a conversation in my head with someone I know who's a Believer. I was trying to explain to her that, as an atheist, I don't default to a mode of conquest - I'm not trying to change what someone else believes (not intentionally, though it's hard to discuss a religious point of view without it sounding like you're trying to convert someone). Some atheists do, of course, just as some religious types go after people for being atheists (or for believing in a different god).

What I did eventually tell her (still in my head - I work through a lot of things by conversing with my peeps in my noggin) was that I *hope* there's a god, as I have some things I'd like to discuss. I won't get into it here, but these are the sorts of things that just suck and for which we *want* answers (not stuff about me, by the by - stuff about friends/family).

This is clearly different from what you're talking about, but the theme of Blame triggered my memory of this morning's imaginary conversation...

"Here's a revised watchmaker analogy: if a watchmaker made watches with the quality and accuracy of the human body, he wouldn't be selling any."

That's awesome.

I've written about it in other comments, but this is as good a time as any to restate it...

I want a rotary heart. I want a heart that whirs rather than a heart that goes thump-thump-ba-dump-ba-dump-ba-thump-de-dump-de-dump...

I'd have two, of course, so there'd be *some* redundancy for one of the most important bits of the body. I know it'd be inefficient, but it'd be more like oars for your boat in case the engine quits. It wouldn't have to be as large or powerful as the original, nor would it have to be designed to work forever. It'd be a spare tire. Just something to get you by until you can have your rotary heart repaired.

You wouldn't want to drive over 80kph on it, but it'd get you to a service station in one piece.

That there is no redundancy for the heart is plenty of evidence that, if there is a Designer, he was just winging it when he made us. This obviously also goes for things like disease, brain damage, and other bodily problems that are horribly disruptive, chronic, or terminal.

But back to my rotary heart.

There wouldn't be as much stress on the vascular system. With training or technology, you might even be able to control the rate at which it whirs. You could up it for exercise, down it for relaxation, and have other settings for other activities. That way, and this would come in especially handy for people like me who go through periods in life of extreme general anxiety (which comes with raised blood-pressure, heart-rate, and other awesomeness), you could stop your heart from using more energy than necessary.

There also ought to be less wear and tear. All kinds of advantages.

But, no... we've got the thump-thump. And mine was going nuts on Sunday. No obvious reason for it. Used to happen much more often, so now it's even more alarming when it does. Thumping madly for a minute, then stopping for a few seconds, then picking back up and feeling like someone's thrown it into reverse...

I want a rotary heart.
September 11, 2008 4:42 PM
 

Rory said:

missus lawz -

"yes... i agree Powell's is like nothing else... the options, the staircases, and yes the multiple hidden bathrooms.  austin, tejas didn't have anything close.  appreciate your observations and thoughts.  nice to hear your voice."

I went in yesterday. Partly to buy a book, but mostly just to walk around. I find so much more stuff than I could possibly have time for. I always wind up wanting to leave with a stack, but not being able to justify it. I made an exception earlier this year because I was on the phone and wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. I put down the phone long enough to pay (which turned into several minutes because I had so much crap) and left with a dozen or so books. It was great because it turned into grab-bag surprise sort of thing. I really didn't remember what I'd purchased. As I made my way down through the pile (kept it in the paper bag they gave me so I couldn't peek to see what I'd gotten), I was pleasantly surprised. I'd like to do it again, but it's not the sort of thing you can plan :)

"hope you don't mind my engagement old friend!"

Forgive me, but I don't recognize the name "lawz" - searching through my head, but not finding it. I've come up with many names that have the sound "lawz" in them, but not a whole name.

For similar confusion, see an earlier comment about "Celes" vs. "Cindy" - I've had comment exchanges with people that went on for days or weeks before I realized it was someone I knew (often someone I knew pretty well).

It's so odd. Used to happen a lot more when I was still in the tech industry. There were people I'd "meet" online and then run into at conferences, but I'd have no idea until some key bit of information was exchanged or if I heard someone refer to the person by his/her online alias.

Not too different from the bag of mystery books I got - a series of happy surprises that you can't plan for :)
September 11, 2008 4:50 PM
 

Chris said:

Sometimes when I drive to work I see people out on the street carrying baseball bats and other weapons in broad daylight on the sidewalk. They do so with an angry expressions on their faces.

I'm not saying Canada is better by any means, the worst city in America is about 10 million times better than being inundated with French babbling, racism against Americans and a government that strongly resembles Cuba's.

Yet still Portland sounds less scary.

I'm not sure why you read a book that you knew you were going to hate, but thanks for telling us about it. Now I know not to read it. I don't believe in intelligent design. I watched too many hours of science and space documentaries and read too much about particle physics. Not that I'm a physicist. I'm just an amateur astronomer and it interests me because the 2 go hand in hand.

BTW, what do you think of the CERN Hadron super-collider underground in France ?
Will they kill us all trying to prove the graviton theory?

Hopefully they will open up a dimensional rift that will swallow Quebec and then close shortly afterwards. It would be ironic if that really happened.
September 14, 2008 9:10 AM
 

Ian said:

"It's so odd. Used to happen a lot more when I was still in the tech industry. There were people I'd "meet" online and then run into at conferences, but I'd have no idea until some key bit of information was exchanged or if I heard someone refer to the person by his/her online alias. "

By key bit of information I presume you mean spying their penis in the bathrooms?

Speaking of tech industry, sort of.. I assume you're NOT going to PDC this year :-(
September 14, 2008 11:11 AM
 

Celes said:

"If it's any consolation, when I bring you up in conversation, I call you Celes..."

It's a consolation that you bring me up in conversation, though it makes me wonder what is said and if you pronounce the name right.

'That weirdo, Celes who writes way too much on my site... I think she might eventually meet Felix and have a dog explode on her.'

"...it feels like an all American sorority pillow-fighting, bra-freezing girl's name. "

Bra-freezing? I would be offended, but I'm intrigued by what sounds like a new game or something I might be into.

"You're rather eccentric. Celes is an eccentric name. Celes is a good name for you."

Flattery will get you everywhere and a side of fries. I used to respond to Celes (back when it was my handle on BBS's)... even when most people would say... "Sel... Kel... Seel... um..." and I'd say "It's just Celeste without the te." So, I just gave it away... the secret of what Celes sounds like.

I also have been known as "C-squared", and I found out that I still do indeed respond to it.

I was also called "Devil" and "Satan" in Middle and High School. I don't respond to either, though the credit those people gave me was kind of flattering in a way.

Remember when Yuvi thought it was a guy's name and I was a guy? That was pretty funny.

Names are funny. If someone starts calling you something, it catches on. My friend Sarah for instance grew up being called by her middle name, Camille. When she moved to Maine people called her Sarah because it was what papers said her first name was. I don't know if she ever tried to correct anyone, I don't remember. It was years before I realized she was actually Cami or Camille... and it's never caught on even as I've met other people who know her by that name she grew up with.

Even more funny, my sister, Deanna (or Dee), started being called 'Dee-awnna' by a friend and soon every one of her friends thought that was how to pronounce her name. She even started saying it. In honor of the Star Trek eye candy she was named after, I refuse to go along with it.

And that was my series of probably not very interesting anecdotes on names. Yay!

Has Rory ever been known as anything other than Rory?
September 14, 2008 10:08 PM
 

punky said:

@Celes

All language is contingent; hence names are also. Or, more romantically put: "that which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet". Alternatively, "that which we call Rory, by any other name would still wear fragrance".
September 15, 2008 4:51 AM
 

Yuvi said:

@Celes: I think I have a genetic pre-disposition to mistaking genders online: You were first, and about 5 people on FriendFeed have had their genders mis-identified by me. It is kinda weird - But I betcha you wouldn't know if Bhuwaneswari is a guy or girl name :P

September 20, 2008 8:15 AM
 

Yuvi said:

Also, Rory - It's hard, like, REAL REAL hard being an athiest in India. Hell, it's hard to be rational here! The popularity of the blood-curling-abomination that is orkut.com proves that. You should try living here for a while (or imagining living here for a while), and write a book about it. It should sell well :)

For example, I've been told that "Darwin regretted inventing evolution" and that Hawking has been "punished by God". All this in addition to the now-rising-up "Moon landings faked", the ever-present "Astrology" that everyone (including, unfortunately, my parents) subscribe to and our own variety of quasi religionory that originated from Hinduism and evolved into something rather VERY big and weird today...

As I said, India will make a very fine subject for Rory.

("Dad dad, when I grow up and become big, I will bring Rory to India and make him write a book about how my life sucks. At gunpoint, or knifepoint, or linuxpoint, if necessary")
September 20, 2008 8:21 AM
 

The Cowboy said:

@Yuvi:
"For example, I've been told that "Darwin regretted inventing evolution" and that Hawking has been "punished by God". "

Doesn't sound all that different from the Midwest.  *sigh*
September 21, 2008 10:59 PM
 

The Cowboy said:

@Yuvi:

BTW: I'm a guy.
September 21, 2008 11:00 PM
 

Celes said:

@Yuvi:

It seems to be a girl's name. How did I know? I used teh intra webs to look it up. :) I actually think it's pretty awesome to be gender-blind. I also know that I don't fall into 'normal womanly categories' (whatever those are) on many things.

Btw, does Linux have points? I always found it to be kind of squishy.
September 24, 2008 7:16 PM
 

The Cowboy said:

@Celes
You're certainly not very Paris Hiltony, but I think most can agree on that being a good thing.  There has to be a better example than that...  Think think think...

Since I've suffered head trauma from being beat over the head with Linux, I think I would have to call it blunt and heavy.
September 27, 2008 7:30 PM
 

Yuvi said:

@Celes - But, but, THAT'S CHEATING!

And as for Linuxpoint - when you're threatened by someone holding a gun, you're held at gunpoint. When you're threatened by someone holding a knife, you're held at gunpoint. You get my drift?
October 2, 2008 11:11 AM
 

tv guide canada said:

October 5, 2008 7:00 AM
 

Tony Zielinski said:

Rory, I like to call these people "IRL ('earl') trolls" basing their life's work on one's own personal non-beliefs.  To quote the ED article, "Trolling IRL, is, well, trolling IRL. It is harder than OL trolling because you [assuming the authors name, Tom Bethell is not a pen name] might actually get your ass kicked, get raped, or otherwise assaulted. But if pulled off correctly, has potential for massive LULZ [ugh... I hate that deviation, and also its original acronymical counterpart] See: Andy Kaufman.".  

On another tangent, I prefer to use 'Lowell' rather than 'LOL'.  It is phonetically identical when spoken aloud, and its etymology has an actual grounding in reality.  Thaddeus 'Champagne' Lowell was the first known person to have died of terminal cachinnation.  Now referred to commonly as Terminal Lowell Syndrome (TLS), the disease has been compared and considered to be a subset of Tourette's Syndrome. The acronym and internet meme 'LOL' is presumed by social-engineering researchers to be a derivation of Lowell's name.  In the future when you have the urge to emote your sense of humor over typewritten communication you should express your uniqueness and simultaneously commemorate a historically relevant and interesting individual by using 'Lowell' instead of 'LOL'.
November 2, 2008 1:54 AM
 

Tony Zielinski said:

November 2, 2008 1:58 AM
 

marco said:

I've been to Powells bookstores.
They're no big thing.

j/k

I really liked em when I was on the left coast, to be sure.
November 9, 2008 4:26 AM

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